Why are people throwing a minitub and tires and calling it a pro touring?

[Bucketlist2012]

[QUOTE=Flash68;426537

And my real PT car is a Police Interceptor with cup holders and AC. [/QUOTE]

No Kidding ? For some reason I thought you were an Attorney.

And my car is modified, people can call it whatever they would like..I just know that every time I modify something, it is better than it was before..

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by skatinjay27

yeah ive never been fond of the definition debate...
but there are a couple truths i stick too:

i believe there is no set of "rules" to building a pro-touring car BUT the equivalent to the all american blonde hair blue eyed quarterback stud would be a primary color 69 CAMARO with all dse suspension, leather int,sound system,AC,big brakes, forged wheels and cup holders!

2nd-a late model car can NOT be pro-touring! if you modify you late model corvette,camaro, or mustang it just becomes a modified modern sports car.

and the most important !
if dave gordon wants, owns or loves it... its a race car and not Pro-touring

can't add anymore to that....but no cup holders = not pro-touring. LOL

[DFRESH]

Originally Posted by FETorino

I thought Pro Touring meant lowered first gen Camaro, did something change?

LOL--same here

[DFRESH]

I can't believe no one has used the phrase "I know at PT car when I see it" yet.

The evolution of this hobby is likely to see the same trend that happened in Heads Up Drag Racing--I think Blake and Brett touched on it well. Started off with a solid group of guys that gained a great amount of interest over the first couple of years. Competition got stiffer, bigger motors and better suspensions were on deck. Not long after, sponsors started to make their presence known. Then purpose built cars came along--no more 30 mile cruise to somehow validate them as a street car. Different classes--which means you have cars that are outta reach for the normal guy to build and be competitive so they have to put limits on them --cubic inch, power adders, tire sizes, etc. Once you have big name sponsors, the open wheel trailer crowd is the minortiy while toter homes and big rigs with crews become the group that the front part of the pits is reserved for. All that being said, the crowd loves the Pro Street and Outlaw cars--even though they are an easy 150k--and much more to get into. The core group of guys that started out, none of them were able to survive the cost of the evolution and remain competitive.

Not sure how our hobby/sport will follow along this path--but I have to say--if I guage it from the very first Optima event to this most recent one---we are on our way. Not saying it's bad---it is what it is.

I still say build what you like---I, for now, always want to be able to get in my car and drive it--and be able to attend track days and autocrosses. It's still about being with some of the greatest folks around and enjoying our common interests. It's easy to get caught up in all the competitive side, nicest looking, most power, etc--but i am only seeing a handful of people prosper from those things in this hobby/sport. I do, however, want to get a posi and rear disc's--call me a follower if you must. So to the guy that was worried about posting up his build thread, don't cave in because a guy has a different opinion about your suspension or what a PT car is--it will always be in flux--and the majority of people you will interact with at events and get togethers will share your same passion and desire to do more to their cars. Post up your build and join the community---you are bound to meet many great people on here. My wife still jokes with me that Todd, Dave, Rich, Rodger, Greg and lots of others have all been to our house, some of them stay with us when they are in town--and I met them all here on this site. Don't miss out on the good stuff because you have ladder bars---

D

[Ron in SoCal]

Can I stay at your house Dougie?

This has been discussed many times and I agree w your post entirely Doug. Build what you want and have FUN with it...

"Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"

"If you aint cheatin', you aint trying hard enough"

"Rubbin's Racin"

As soon as you put a clock on it...this was bound to happen. Payton sold his car for a more track oriented build. Dave decided the racier side is where he wants to be. Just today, Payback is for sale.

Vendor's argue the merits of their parts in 'what should I buy threads'. Even gets nasty at times.

Builders keep their set-ups a 'secret'. That cracks me up. I'm gonna start calling that guy Danica.

Car's break and cameras are banned.

Just sayin'

I'm cool w a street car that's track capable. For now. Sure am glad for the true friends I've made here. My GF can't believe it. I can...

EDIT: If a double stacker shows up in VIP parking, I'm gonna egg it. Unless it belongs to Charlie or Weld...

[Flash68]

Great post Ronnie....

Doug -- yours was so-so.

[DFRESH]

Originally Posted by Flash68

Great post Ronnie....

Doug -- yours was so-so.

I sure hope that motel next to the train tracks you stayed at last time was nice. Ron is in.

[Vegas69]

I'm not sure I agree with things going to the extreme of prostreet. I still feel the main population of the sites wants a very streetable car with pro touring roots. There is always going to be a group that wants to compete and stick out their chest. How many people are really competitive at our events now? Most of the guys just want to show up and have a good time. I like to compete but that's not my purpose.

There is SCCA, NASA, PSCA, NHRA, I hope we keep our street roots until the end. My next build will absolutely be a street car with track capabilites.

[sokoloka]

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal

I'm cool w a street car that's track capable. For now. Sure am glad for the true friends I've made here. My GF can't believe it. I can...

I'm going to have to meet up with some of you guys when I move back to Carlsbad mid-September. Could just be my group of friends but the past 4 years I've been there were tough to find people with thoroughly similar interests and manias.

Look forward to moving back and getting my car done the most!

[byndbad914]

For me, Big Red was the first PT car because I would seriously drive that car on the street daily and it was the first I can recall seeing a brick fly through the air that well. That one car changed how I viewed performance muscle cars to this day. My DD all through my 20s was essentially a race car with two seats and a dash that I managed to put plates on and dealt with the hassling from the local PD regarding exhaust noise. Of course, if they heard it, I probably was getting off easy if they were talking about the noise and not what I was doing at the time to make it

PT is better defined by Mark's series of Camaros, but seriously, if you take a 60s-70s car and put some fat tires all around and lower it down a little to make it look like an old Trans Am racer and at least appear like it would handle better, you are Pro Touring as far as I am concerned. Money shouldn't matter; should be like gifts, the thought is what should count.

Skinny front tires and fat rears = Pro Street
Fat tires all around = Pro Touring

The 66 Nova SS chassis I bought a couple weeks ago I intend to build starting later this year will have 16" wheels for the track - they will be 11.5"/13" wide, but they may be too small in diameter to be PT by many standards

All the other stuff you can bolt/beat/weld on is just a measure of wallet, not intent or love for one type or the other. Most, if not all of us on this forum live in the USA or other "free" countries where we have near complete freedom of expression and ability to make and spend money easily - we've already won the galactic lottery - what we do with that freedom of expression is just how we are spending our winnings if you will. I consider getting to debate something as frivolous as this v. where I am getting my next meal is pretty fortunate... so I don't care about labels all that much.

Now, when N.O.S. (en oh ess) became NAWS - that is a debate worth fighting