Rear Axle Gearing Suggestions. What should I start with?

[GregWeld]

I'd look at one other criteria.... your torque curve of the cam you're using...

Are you at the bottom, middle or end of the curve at your shift points. Look at it as a "system".

For the track -- I don't think there's any question about using the 3:50's... You probably don't need the 190+ top speed of the 3:08's unless you're running Nurburgring...

[Iamtheonlyreal1]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I'd look at one other criteria.... your torque curve of the cam you're using...

Are you at the bottom, middle or end of the curve at your shift points. Look at it as a "system".

For the track -- I don't think there's any question about using the 3:50's... You probably don't need the 190+ top speed of the 3:08's unless you're running Nurburgring...

I do believe the Torque curve is somewhere in the Mid RPM, but I will double check that with my builder for sure..

[GregWeld]

If you were just going on the street it wouldn't make much difference... but on the track -- then that whole combination needs to work together... and that has to do with gear spacing etc. It was more critical back in the day when we ran 4 speeds... probably -- but as long as you have time to ask the questions and get into it... nows the time, before you commit.

[Flash68]

Agreed, Greg. And taking what you said and applying it we have a very wide ratio trans here (2.87. 1.89. 1.28. 1.00) and a LS motor probably not making a ton of torque (assuming it is not stroked here). With those big gear spreads I certainly would not want the 3.08 ratio with all that performance oriented setup in there. Lots of people run 3.70 or even 3.89 ratios with the TKO.

[GregWeld]

Yeah ---- I like the 3:70 over the 3:50

[FETorino]

Originally Posted by Flash68

Agreed, Greg. And taking what you said and applying it we have a very wide ratio trans here (2.87. 1.89. 1.28. 1.00) and a LS motor probably not making a ton of torque (assuming it is not stroked here). With those big gear spreads I certainly would not want the 3.08 ratio with all that performance oriented setup in there. Lots of people run 3.70 or even 3.89 ratios with the TKO.

Remember his car only weighs 2700lbs so he can get away with big gear spreads and less torque.

I'd plan it around the 2nd thru 5th for track use. 1.89 1.28 1.00 .82
With a 3.89 it looks like below. I figured 5500 rpm for peak power and around 3000 for peak torque.

First will let you take off from a light in idle and great for parking lots.


Gear RPF* RPM Speed RPM Speed
1st 1.11 3000 31 5500 56
2nd 0.75 3725 56 5500 83
3rd 0.59 4297 83 5500 106
4th 0.48 4510 106 5500 130
Your RPM at 70 MPH is 2966 (4th gear)

Below is some food for thought from a racer with a heavier car.

Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO

I got the transmision back from Competition Transmissions and Gears in North Carolina this week. I changed the gearing to a better setup for the road courses. I ended up with 2.24, 1.73, 1.30, 1.0 gears.

Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO

I have 3.70 rear ratio. We will see how it is. I may go to a 3.89 if 2nd gear is a bit too tall. I like to run 2nd gear on most autocross courses. 1st gear will be good for the peanut Goodguys courses or slow portions of other autocross courses. The beauty of this transmission is that it is so easy to shift up and down (no clutch).

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by FETorino

I figured 5500 rpm for peak power and around 3000 for peak torque.



Below is some food for thought from a racer with a heavy car.

If that is a stock displacement LS6 at 540 hp, that is a higher peak than 5500. I'd bet 6000+. And torque peak is not at 3000. I'll bet it's at 4500+. Remember, this is LS land. I don't have one, but I am forced to be familiar with them as they represent the majority of the competition.

If this was a 3000rpm torque peak motor with a lower power range, I would tend to agree with you.

You're calling Hobaugh's car heavy? Compared to 2700 lbs every car is heavy I guess! His is only 2900 before he adds ballast.

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[FETorino]

Originally Posted by Flash68

If that is a stock displacement LS6 at 540 hp, that is a higher peak than 5500. I'd bet 6000+. And torque peak is not at 3000. I'll bet it's at 4500+. Remember, this is LS land. I don't have one, but I am forced to be familiar with them as they represent the majority of the competition.

If this was a 3000rpm torque peak motor with a lower power range, I would tend to agree with you.

You're calling Hobaugh's car heavy? Compared to 2700 lbs every car is heavy I guess! His is only 2900 before he adds ballast.

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Meant heavier car not heavy.

I don't know s t about LS motors, and don't care too, just making some assumptions based on their OEM sataus and design parameters for drivability. But from a quick google on the LS tech forum somebody posted this.

"The T1 racing corvettes with stock LS6 motors, and stock air intake and stock headers and cats, then straight pipes are dyno tuned to 385-387 wrhp, 375-380 wrtq with peak HP at 6300 and red line of 6700. and a flat tq curve from 1500 right up to 4800"

I'll give you I was almost 1k off on peak hp rpm but 3000 rpm is about dead center of the torque curve flat spot so maybe my assumption is good or the guy on the LS forum shouldn't be posting.

If this is true the LS makes near peak torque right off idle so he could pull tall gearing but then what is 5th for and the gap between 1st and second is like the grand canyon so I wouldn't want to be rowing between those gears on an autocross.