Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by ccracin

The most important bunch that don't want to work for a living are in Washington! I see why so much money is spent to get there. It is the ultimate golden parachute. Why would any of them vote to change that.

So True. Our Founding Fathers called it the 'Minority of the Opulent,' which is the same theory under which the Electoral College was underwritten.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by EBMC

I hope you dont think thats what my definition of a "free loader" is.

It was sure Mitt Romneys idea of a freeloader, someone who doesn't pay taxes but receives benefits.

Look, no hard working person, regardless of their beliefs that people should get a free ride. I pay taxes and I don't want to see it wasted, and I don't want to have people dependant on my money in the long term. In the short term though, when plants are being closed so the jobs go overseas, when companies do massive layoffs despite record profits, I'm more than willing to help out my fellow americans.

The thing is, I'm pragmatic about things, I evaluate all of the angles and I can certainly see why some people would prefer Romney based on how various things impact them or their beliefs.

Additionally, the reality is that regardless of who wins, very little actually changes, so let's not be all dramatic about the impact of the election.

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

Yeah cause I want a bunch of foreigners who are moving to MY country to come here and tell me how good or bad MY country is.

Are you applying to become a U.S. Citizen? If not you have no vote and no say in how thing go or should go in MY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If not you are one of a long line of people who want to come to here and reap the rewards of all MY country has to offer, but not really be apart of what makes it work.

Blake you have been a good friend for a long time. I'd like to keep it that way. Sign up and join us or stay off the U.S. political stage. You don't see me bashing Canada's government or way of life. I expect the same respect in return.

Wow. Buddy.
Actually your government Won't allow me to be a US citizen, they will Allow me to invest money start a business, pay taxes, Medicare, Social security, and all that WITH NO availbility to collect in the future, they mandate that we hire US citizens to manufacture products.
I have an opinion on who the President should be but don't think i have voiced it, as you are correct I have no say and will never have any say, and i'm ok with that.
Honestly if i really cared about the political landcsape i may have made a different descision, but that is not the reason for moving, it is to be closer to YOU!

[Blake Foster]

Perhaps my wording of "How Bad it is" came off wrong???? i was implying that it will be GOOD, or Better than my current situation.
i should have said.
I will let you knwo how GOOD it is................. i'm still moving Curtis!!

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

Honestly if i really cared about the political landcsape i may have made a different descision, but that is not the reason for moving, it is to be closer to YOU!

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

Matt brings up a question that I truly and honestly don't understand and would appreciate someone explaining to me. What does Romney being a Mormon have anything to do with it? Personally I don't care about a persons religion, race or sexual preference. I respect that and that person, so long as they respect the same in return. Why is this such a big deal?

I agree but to some people it was considered an issue. I mean it wasn't really that long ago when a Catholic in the white house was ground breaking, and we haven't had a jewish president.

I agree with Matt in that a moderate Mitt Romney could have won the election. He tried hard to swing towards the middle near the end but how is anyone supposed to believe someone who shifts so wildly?

Everyone agrees that politicians will say anything to be elected, but that doesn't mean that people will accept it and vote for you anyways. I can certainly see a lot of people voting for Obama simply because it's clearer what you will get than with Romney who has been all over the place.

Back before the last election I thought McCain was great, but then to try to get elected he had to do a lot of things that I don't think were him and I lost a lot of respect for him.

If as they say America is middle-right, who is going to win more and more elections, a party that is far right, or one that is middle-left?

[ccracin]

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal

So True. Our Founding Fathers called it the 'Minority of the Opulent,' which is the same theory under which the Electoral College was underwritten.

Yep Ron, the quote is

"the primary function of government is to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority of the poor." - James Madison

I believe this was something he said during the Constitutional Convention. This pretty much to me is what Washington is doing. Both Parties. The majority truly has no say in who goes to Washington to represent us. We can only choose from those the parties tell us we can choose from. Very depressing.

This shows you the power of our hobby. While I'm in the garage cutting and hacking on metal, I can forget all about this!

[OLDFLM]

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

................. i'm still moving Curtis!!

Dang! Just when I was about to ask you if you needed a good HR Manager in Canada Blake! LOL

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

Perhaps my wording of "How Bad it is" came off wrong???? i was implying that it will be GOOD, or Better than my current situation.
i should have said.
I will let you knwo how GOOD it is................. i'm still moving Curtis!!

Well hurry the "F" up already. We need good people like you.

[HAULNSS]

“Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves bananas, they’ll never climb another tree.”
― Robert Heinlein


“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
― Thomas Jefferson


“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
― Edward R. Murrow


“One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”
― Plato


“The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
― Thomas Jefferson


“One thing is clear: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would pay nearly half of everything they earn to the government.”
― Ron Paul


“As government expands, liberty contracts.”
― Ronald Reagan


“The short memories of the American voters is what keeps our politicians in office.”
― Will Rogers





Randy