Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Beegs]

It's quite simple, with this election we have reached the tipping point of more takers than makers. End of story.

[Revved]

Originally Posted by WSSix

What's this trickle down economy talk you're spewing? Everyone knows that is nonsense. You're just trying to protect the rich so they can continue to screw over the rest of us

How or why people don't understand that if you allow people to keep their money, instead of seizing it through taxation, they will spend it on their own is beyond me. I guess they think trickle down economy means trickle down prosperity or that it's some how guaranteed they will be better off without actually having to get out there and make it happen for themselves. Not only that but to simply be in this hobby, which involves purely discretionary money and spending, and still claim that trickle down economics doesn't work or doesn't exist is mind blowing.

To add to Greg's comments earlier about the taxes targeted directly at yachts. I grew up in Savannah, GA. Technically, outside of it on the islands but the address was Savannah. I remember years of driving into Savannah proper and passing through Thunderbolt, GA and seeing the yachts and sailboats being built during the 80s. I didn't find out until the 90s when I was a teenager that the reason the sailboats and yachts suddenly disappeared and the company went bankrupt was because the government decided to tax people who dared to want to buy one. You may think a fancy boat is unnecessary and maybe even vulgar given that there are people who can't even afford a simple car, but you have no right to punish someone who wants to buy one with their legally earned money. It's also laughable if you claim to care about the little guy when you support legislation that results in that little guy losing his job simply because he worked at a business you deemed unnecessary.

My post isn't directed at anyone specific. Please don't take it that way. I'm just simply venting about interference in the economy by government morons who claim to know what's best for me and you. Or, who try to honestly claim the most basic and obvious truths don't exist or work.

Do you not see that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here? In one paragraph you accuse me of protecting the rich so they can "continue to screw us" but in another paragraph you are defending the rights of guys building yahts saying the government has no right to punish someone who wants to buy one with their legally earned money. Which is exactly what is happening with this administration targeting high earners in this country. I, and many others here, are the guys building the yahts who's businesses are being strained because our primary clientele is afraid to spend their legally earned money not knowing what else is coming down the pipeline. Is it going to last forever... no. Are people going to start buying yahts again... yes. But in the mean time it is the small businesses that take the hit... again. The longer it keeps up the more likely we are to end up in the bread line.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by WSSix

The fact that so many American citizens support his actions and agree with those actions is what bothers me.

Well.... not really that many Americans.... he only got HALF the popular vote. So that doesn't show me much support.

I look at this as a "technical win" rather than a mandated popular "go for it and change whatever you want" win.

What EVERYONE needs to watch for is that their Representative and the Senators from their area gets a strong message regarding how they vote!

That's FAR FAR more important that what the POTUS "wants".

[Bucketlist2012]

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda

I did love the listening to the radio on Wed. when the stock market tanked. They actualy said "due to some turmoil in Europe, the stock market is down 300 points", not even mentioning the election. Its very scary how detatched the press has become from reality, and how the current Pres. can do no wrong. Its no longer news, its propiganda, I hope history can't repeat itself.

Most of us, give or take, are probably finantially as far along in life as we will go. Its our kids and grand kids that won't have the same oportunities for success that we had. How did we get here?

When the government controls the press, they control the truth...

[GregWeld]

I thought of something while working out this morning....



Remember a famous DEMOCRAT'S speech....


"ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU... BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY".



Somehow they've managed to reverse that... and to me that's where the failure is.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

"ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU... BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY".

Somehow they've managed to reverse that... and to me that's where the failure is.

They're erasing the fundamental ethics and pride on which this country was founded.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I thought of something while working out this morning....

Remember a famous DEMOCRAT'S speech....

"ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU... BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY".

Somehow they've managed to reverse that... and to me that's where the failure is.

I'm not sure who they are that you're talking about, I presume democrats, and it isn't clear to me where any politician implies that people should be 'takers'.

Is our state filled with takers Greg? People who demand the government do things for them? It seems like we have some of the largest companies in the world, with hundreds of thousands of the most educated and most skilled people, building software and planes and what not. Somehow though republicans have a hard time winning in these areas where all of the Boeing and Microsoft takers are!

As far as the numerous people questioning the intelligence of takers, or the awesome reference to idiocracy (I'd so vote for president camacho), the only commentary I'd have is for you to sort the states by what percentage of their residents have a college degree, and look at what state voted for what candidate. And no, I don't correlate degree with intelligence, but you don't spend all that money to go to college and then sit on welfare right? By definition you're a maker and not a lazy mooch. For the record I didn't go to college, and I am lazy but I'd be considered a maker.

Lastly, just on the business side I read this great article just now about, well to me how much sears sucks but it had an awesome segment in it:

Article

Long story short, guy makes good wrench in the USA, sells through sears. At some point sears doesn't agree to pay the price and turns around and has it manufactured overseas. It sounds like this is standard procedure for sears at this point. Guy sues sears but has to lay off 31 people as a result of all of this.

Company that makes the knock offs and other craftsman tools is being bought... by Bain capital.

My point is merely that while I can see the value in a president having business experience, not all business experience rates as a positive to me.

The sponsors here, making things in the united states, supporting american workers, defying all business logic to offshore their items and make higher profits, that is valuable to me, that's the type of experience that I'd vote for. The non sponsors who chronically knock off and offshore items the sponsors make.. not so much.

[bdahlg68]

Saw or heard something that described the return on stimulus vs. return on tax cuts...... basically showed stimulus had a higher return even though it would cause an "entitlement" society. Has anyone else heard or seen an article like this??? Trying to find it....

[GrabberGT]

Originally Posted by bdahlg68

Saw or heard something that described the return on stimulus vs. return on tax cuts...... basically showed stimulus had a higher return even though it would cause an "entitlement" society. Has anyone else heard or seen an article like this??? Trying to find it....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/20...SQP/story.html

[57hemicuda]

Here in lies the problem, the Bain Capital boogie man, the Halliburton boogie man, what villain company are we going to look for next, it really discounts any arguement in my opinion. If the feds and state governments were to make this place more buisness freindly, maybe all these companies wouldn't look elsewhere. The first canidate that says he will give companies 100% tax breaks for anyone who manufactures in the states, foreign or domestic, will get my vote. The extra employment leading to income taxes, and removing people from welfare roles, I beleive would more then cover the corporate taxes lost.

The class envy thing is only going to work for so long, once the dept overwhelms us, all treasure will be gone anyway.