Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Richio1]

Very well stated Greg.

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I'll jump in here....


When I go to Home Depot -- I see people that WANT to work... and I like that about those people. They're not standing by the freeway offramp with some sob story on a piece of cardboard...


What I do not like - is that they (meaning anyone that comes illegally) pay ZERO taxes... and when they get ill... they show up at the ER and we fix them up free of charge... and I don't like that some of the money they earn is sent out of my country... and I don't like the mess that is left behind in the areas they inhabit. In other words - come here and RESPECT my way of life... don't turn my country into the crap country you left behind.

If people come here and like it... then I want them to try to better themselves - learn to speak english - and pay taxes etc just like I do. I don't want them to work in the fields for low pay and do back breaking work. But that "low cost" of labor you cite doesn't jibe with the 11 BILLION DOLLARS that California budgets for "illegals".... So just like Obamacare... there is no "free" or "low cost" medical care... someone is paying - we're just recognizing it in a different column on the spreadsheet .


So --- I don't like to bitch --- unless I think I have a better way....

We don't need to deport people.... But we do need to find a way to organize them and bring them to some sort of "legal state" where they can be here - pay taxes and medicare etc - but not be citizens without going through what our laws already say they must do.

What I don't like is what I see when I go to Southern California... where parts of it are looking more and more like Northern Mexico... and THAT is what people are upset about I think... So I think people would like a "fix" for the issue - and I think people in general would like to see other people do well and improve themselves... but NOT at the expense of our way of life as we know it.

Does that make sense?

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

GregWeld,
as a American of Latino decent I agree with you as well.
Unlike what most people think Latino Americans don't like seeing there neighborhood go to SH*&!
If you think the Mexican American does not like paying taxes all you have to do is go down to Mexico.
The typical Mexican would rather have dirt roads and burn there own garbage as opposed to pay taxes for nice roads and waste collection every weekend.

Wake up Republican, they have the same ideology as you. But, if you want to categorize them as a taker and not a worker then you will never get their respect come election time.
I am only 1 person. My vote is only 1 of many. But, I do vote. I did not vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012. As well, I did not vote for MCcain or Romney. I pulled for the guy I thought was best for America and treated Americans and people with respect, Ron Paul.

Agreed!


Personally -- I like PEOPLE... if they're good people. Period. I do not like some people by way of their own actions regardless of color or race. There's way more classless, filthy, white folks that were born right here in the good old USA...

I had a warehouse in New York City -- all Puerto Rican guys.... they were the BEST guys in the whole wide world. Honest hard working guys. They were paid well and treated well. I ate with them regularly. Those guys were the best!

[SuperSport]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

I just don't think it's fair to those who do all that it takes to come to the U.S. legally when many others come in illegally. It's a pretty big slap in the face to anyone that has earned it.

The fact that that they came here by an illegal means shows a bit of who they are. Those that came here legally...well that also shows the type of person they are.

Not necessarily true. Most Latinos know why illegals come here illegally. As GregWeld said their government failed them. When it is impossible to feed your family a man will do what it takes to survive. They are no different than an unemployed American. They just want a job, any job.

I am going to bow out because I know where these threads and debates typically end up. I want to thank all that kept it civil and treated an opposing view with respect. Maybe, some need to treat others with respect instead of categorizing them as takers or people looking for handouts. I think the media over used that b.s. and offended many. People took to the poles and voted not for the best guy but, the worst of two evils.
This is just my opinion and it does not mean much. But, one thing is for sure regardless of what anyone calls me, I am an American first and foremost and I vote. And there is allot of garbage I am seeing coming from both parties that I could never agree with.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

I am an American first and foremost and I vote. And there is allot of garbage I am seeing coming from both parties that I could never agree with.

And there's the difference.... in a nutshell. YOU are a tax paying, hard working, American. You don't expect something for nothing. You put your boots on and go to work every day. You care. You vote.

My old saying -- "Don't vote? Then don't bitch!"

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

Not necessarily true. Most Latinos know why illegals come here illegally. As GregWeld said their government failed them. When it is impossible to feed your family a man will do what it takes to survive. They are no different than an unemployed American. They just want a job, any job.

I am going to bow out because I know where these threads and debates typically end up. I want to thank all that kept it civil and treated an opposing view with respect. Maybe, some need to treat others with respect instead of categorizing them as takers or people looking for handouts. I think the media over used that b.s. and offended many. People took to the poles and voted not for the best guy but, the worst of two evils.
This is just my opinion and it does not mean much. But, one thing is for sure regardless of what anyone calls me, I am an American first and foremost and I vote. And there is allot of garbage I am seeing coming from both parties that I could never agree with.

I 100% understand that a desperate person will do whatever it takes. Hard to argue that...not that I am arguing.

I suppose the answer is that there is no simple answer. Once size doesn't fit all.

I won't allow this thread to go sideways. As long as everyone is respectful, I see it as a positive. We have all learned a lot here on LG.

[SuperSport]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

With all respect my friend, I didn't ask what Regan did. I asked if that was what you where saying and honestly I am more interested in hearing your personal opinion and views. You bring a unique perspective to the table. One that perhaps I can learn from....if you're willing to share.

If not here in the public eye, them perhaps via a PM.

You deserve a response before I leave.
I will give you only one example. My gardener is Latino. With out sharing any of his personal life I will say this. His son served with the Marines and was wounded badly in Afghanistan last year. His son received honors from our country for his service and almost giving his life for this country. He is what Faux news calls an "Anchor baby". That to me is insulting.
He is what I call a real American. Should he and his family be sent back? Or as Americans can we see it to treat them as a special case? Can we go back to what Reagan tried and treat those that have sacrificed working in fields or those who wanted the same as our ancestors to live the American dream a second chance?

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

You deserve a response before I leave.
I will give you only one example. My gardener is Latino. With out sharing any of his personal life I will say this. His son served with the Marines and was wounded badly in Afghanistan last year. His son received honors from our country for his service and almost giving his life for this country. He is what Faux news calls an "Anchor baby". That to me is insulting.
He is what I call a real American. Should he and his family be sent back? Or as Americans can we see it to treat them as a special case? Can we go back to what Reagan tried and treat those that have sacrificed working in fields or those who wanted the same as our ancestors to live the American dream a second chance?

I see what you are getting at. Hard working people earned (in a way) their place in the American dream because they have contributed. Or perhaps a better way to say it is that there are many ways one could earn citizenship. I could support that idea.

What I can't support is when criminals come here from other places. But that's an entire different can of worms.

[Sieg]

Thought this was worth sharing........

[GregWeld]

And that sums up why I COULD NOT vote for President Obama....


He doesn't subscribe to ANY of those ideals.

[bdahlg68]

While very indicative of the feelings of lots of people on this board.... not something from Honest Abe's mouth...

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln/prosperity.asp