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Old 12-05-2012, 09:05 AM
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Obamacare didn't address the COSTS of healthcare.... if it had - I'd have been all for it. Instead he just created an entire new government bureaucracy.
...........and appointed Robin Hood as the Czar.

I read Michelle's Thesis from Princeton in 2006/7 before it was suppressed. It definitely a had a strong underlying general tone of black vs. white IMO.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/01/11...nceton-thesis/

Roger and Darren make classic examples of what drives this country. Small businesses are the infantry of America and right now it appears this administration values them about as much as an infantry pawn in Vietnam.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:38 AM
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...........and appointed Robin Hood as the Czar.

I read Michelle's Thesis from Princeton in 2006/7 before it was suppressed. It definitely a had a strong underlying general tone of black vs. white IMO.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/01/11...nceton-thesis/


This is a typical VIEW FROM THE BOTTOM of the glass. As long as SHE felt that way - she was no doubt received that way. A chip on her shoulder. The very same "chip" that has this President declaring war on the 1%.

Reminds me of the debate between Lloyd Bentsen and Dan Quail....."I knew Jack Kennedy, and you sir, are no Jack Kennedy"
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:44 AM
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There is a silent shift in who they want to tax.. It was the 1%...Then magically it became the 2%...Any of us who know realize that it will silently go to the top 10%, and then ???? To pay the debt and without massive spending cuts, it will reach the top 40% eventually.

And as far as Todd's post, he is right on the money....After my seizures they gave me a life sentence of seizure medication...OK, I get that, but the additional medicine's they tried to give me to "cure" me were worse than the side effects they were trying to fix....Several times I tried their "cure"...After two days of Zombie land I refused to take it, and slowly, naturally, I am getting better. They want to treat everything with pills...No thanks..

I just don't see any compromise coming for a long time...The Media refuses to report the truth, and the 51% believe them. So I see it getting worse for many before it gets better, But they are going to need to understand what and why it is happening and stop believing what they are spoon fed..
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:51 AM
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I don't want to sound mean but I am sure it will come out this way.

Like you said they are going to have to eventually tax the middleclass and eventually everyone will see an increase. There will be job cuts ( hopefully for the people who voted for Obama ) and it is going to hurt us as a Nation. Which sucks.

However I a certain it's the only way the 51% will figure it out. Sometime you have to slap people in the face with a dead fish for them to understand what they have done.

On a side Note: Just think if Mitt did get elected and the economy went downhill the Republican party would be blaimed for it by the media. So if we fail as a country at least we know that Obama and his followers will be the cause !
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Obamacare didn't address the COSTS of healthcare.... if it had - I'd have been all for it. Instead he just created an entire new government bureaucracy.
I've said that before.... We are not doing anything about the cause of the issue (whatever it may be at the time), but rather trying to mask the symptoms. Like taking an aspirin for a splinter, ain't going to fix it at all but might make it stop hurting till its time for another one!
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I truely HATE this class envy crap that the politicians and press keep fueling. You hear it everywhere, how did working hard to provide a nice life for our families become so wrong. I am by no means a 1%er, but 90% of the work I do is for the 1%. For the most part, these are descent, honorable, hard working people providing for there families just like me. There are exceptions of course, but that is every tax bracket.

I've gotten to the point that if someone even starts the rich argument, I can't even take them seriously. We can debate taxes, but I can tell you that if you work hard, your taying over 50% in taxes by the time you add the fed, state, local, property, sales,fuel, etc,etc.

I lay the decay of the family at the feet of the government, once the tax rate got that high Mom could no longer stay home and raise little Tommy. Due to 50% of your income be obsorbed by the government, to have any kind of quality of life Mom and Dad both had to work. This kept both parent working and stressing over making ends meet, not leaving the time that most of our Moms had to spend on us. After all, look how good we all turned out.LOL
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I truely HATE this class envy crap that the politicians and press keep fueling. You hear it everywhere, how did working hard to provide a nice life for our families become so wrong. I am by no means a 1%er, but 90% of the work I do is for the 1%. For the most part, these are descent, honorable, hard working people providing for there families just like me. There are exceptions of course, but that is every tax bracket.

I've gotten to the point that if someone even starts the rich argument, I can't even take them seriously. We can debate taxes, but I can tell you that if you work hard, your taying over 50% in taxes by the time you add the fed, state, local, property, sales,fuel, etc,etc.

I lay the decay of the family at the feet of the government, once the tax rate got that high Mom could no longer stay home and raise little Tommy. Due to 50% of your income be obsorbed by the government, to have any kind of quality of life Mom and Dad both had to work. This kept both parent working and stressing over making ends meet, not leaving the time that most of our Moms had to spend on us. After all, look how good we all turned out.LOL
There is a lot of ignorance here. Taxes are exceptionally low relative to what they have been over the last century. There were decade long stretches where the top tax bracket was 90%, and that included dividends.

A common theme in this thread is that a lot of people don't pay and yet receive benefits from the government, which is deficit spending to do so. The so called 47%, where even if you remove the veterans and old people still has some people who in fact do work, but don't pay federal income tax (they pay local/state/sales tax of course).

Who is to blame for these free loaders who straight up get a check from the government? Bush in 2002. The tax cuts partially being discussed recently, included provisions that eliminated 8 million people off of the tax rolls because the lowest rate went down, and credits in some cases doubled.

I'm independent but I think critically about these things and I have a clear concise plan to restore America.

To balance the budget, a new law that says states can receive only an amount up to 80% of what your residents pay in income tax. Why 80%? Well some percentage goes towards government overhead, and some goes towards paying down the debt.

Net effect: All but 3 'red' states suddenly get a lot less money. My blue state actually gets less too so I'm not being vindictive here. Chances are the entire south goes bankrupt within a year.

Any state can opt out of Obamacare. The downside is we won't make medicare payments to your doctors as these things compliment each other and we aren't ala carte.

Net effect: Any state that opts out loses half or more of their doctors, and their residents are not as healthy, further adding costs to running the states as it turns out the states that would do this, would be the ones who currently take more than they make.

I love the rich, I mean I hope to be in Greg's shoes one day. Who bothers me is the South, a bunch of freeloading taking states that don't even have the awareness to see that they are railing against the very things that would help them. Not only that, but I'm paying for it.

This is half a joke, everything except for the part where I said I hate the south.
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[QUOTE=realcoray;450171]There is a lot of ignorance here.


If you can debate nicely, please continue to post. If in your flame you are posting that people are being ignorant, please go to yahoo..

You have an Idea on what you believe is the way things should be. Many others do not agree with you..It is your right to have your view. It is our right to have ours...We never called you Ignorant, please show us the same respect.

We can agree to disagree. But when you are basically calling people Ignorant, please go to Yahoo...We have no place for that kind of flame on LatG.

You bring a different view that is great to discuss and talk about, just please watch how you present yourself..It is refreshing that you are the counterpoint, but without the flame and condesending remarks, that's all..
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:34 PM
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There is a lot of ignorance here.


If you can debate nicely, please continue to post. If in your flame you are posting that people are being ignorant, please go to yahoo..

We can agree to disagree. But when you are basically calling people Ignorant, please go to Yahoo...We have no place for that kind of flame on LatG.
I can debate nicely but we all have to be realistic and use some sort of logic and not emotions. In the last few days someone here posted that they basically hope people who voted for Obama lose their jobs.

How polite and even American is that? That is neither nice nor constructive. I appreciate the double standard in situations like this where a majority of the members are probably on one side and I want to discuss like an adult. The reality is I'm not on a side. It's a fact taxes are low, it's a fact that a lot of people don't pay federal taxes because of George Bush cutting taxes so much, they just didn't have to pay anymore. Republicans talk about taxes being too high and cutting them, but then they complain when they've cut taxes for some people so much that they GET money.

I will say I support the concept of the 1% paying more, at the same time I can say without a doubt that the government needs to spend less. It's not about attacking the rich, being jealous or whatever, it's about paying the countries debt.

Nothing is ever as black and white as some of you guys say, and all I am trying to accomplish is to point out the grey that people seem to avoid.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:41 PM
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Is it just the media lately, or are more and more people in this country really starting to despise success??
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