Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[GregWeld]

*** Willing to concede -- but in order to get something in return: Relatedly, the Washington Post reports that Republican centrists and even some conservatives are calling on Boehner “to concede on rates now, while he still has some leverage to demand something in return. Republicans are eager to win changes to fast-growing safety-net programs, such as raising the eligibility age for Medicare and applying a less-generous measure of inflation to Social Security benefits.” More: “‘I and some others are advocating giving the president what he wants,’ said Rep. Steven C. LaTourette (R-Ohio). But he stressed that this must be part of a package that slows federal borrowing and reduces the debt by $4 trillion to $5 trillion. ‘Quite frankly, some people in this 2 percent who call me, they’re more worried about the fiscal cliff than about the rates going up a couple points. That has bigger risk for them,’ said LaTourette, a close Boehner ally who is retiring in January.”




The real Dem vs Repub argument is We will pay more taxes but we want spending reduced.

I think that is a FAIR AND BALANCED APPROACH.... It's a RESPONSIBLE approach.


Let's not argue about who started what and who's to blame.... Let's just get busy and SOLVE the problems.

Like my old desk sign used to ask.... "Are you part of the problem or part of the solution".

[GregWeld]

AND........ WE need more like this!!



http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-ceo-cook-says

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

AND........ WE need more like this!!



http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-ceo-cook-says

Amen!

And IMO more emphasis on tech degrees vs. college degrees to support those manufacturing efforts.

[GregWeld]

I'm fine with taxes going up... it won't affect the way I live one iota. But I'm squarely in the camp of cutting spending. America has become totally irresponsible. It's embarrassing to me personally that we have to borrow. That's not the way I run my household. That is NOT the role of government. It's not proper leadership. And it makes the country "beholding" to other countries such as China.

When you borrow from someone and must do so in the future as well - it makes it pretty hard to get in their face about other "stuff"...


Basically I'm sick of America being on WELFARE in order to provide welfare.

[SuperSport]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I'm fine with taxes going up... it won't affect the way I live one iota.

Wow! An American that is willing to bail out America.
You sir have a screw loose.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

Wow! An American that is willing to bail out America.
You sir have a screw loose.

Hey! You forgot the OTHER PART OF THE STATEMENT.... the part that says -- as long as these aholes quit spending!!

[Z10ROD]

yea I agree passing tax breaks for 98% of america. I was like geter dun then I herd they went back and said we need to extend unemployement

[hifi875]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

*** Willing to concede -- but in order to get something in return: Relatedly, the Washington Post reports that Republican centrists and even some conservatives are calling on Boehner “to concede on rates now, while he still has some leverage to demand something in return. Republicans are eager to win changes to fast-growing safety-net programs, such as raising the eligibility age for Medicare and applying a less-generous measure of inflation to Social Security benefits.” More: “‘I and some others are advocating giving the president what he wants,’ said Rep. Steven C. LaTourette (R-Ohio). But he stressed that this must be part of a package that slows federal borrowing and reduces the debt by $4 trillion to $5 trillion. ‘Quite frankly, some people in this 2 percent who call me, they’re more worried about the fiscal cliff than about the rates going up a couple points. That has bigger risk for them,’ said LaTourette, a close Boehner ally who is retiring in January.”




The real Dem vs Repub argument is We will pay more taxes but we want spending reduced.

I think that is a FAIR AND BALANCED APPROACH.... It's a RESPONSIBLE approach.


Let's not argue about who started what and who's to blame.... Let's just get busy and SOLVE the problems.

Like my old desk sign used to ask.... "Are you part of the problem or part of the solution".

Dont get me wrong. I don't want taxes for you 2% to go up either. it affects my paycheck! Like you said they are probly going to go up, but like you said a balanced approach would be nice.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

The real Dem vs Repub argument is We will pay more taxes but we want spending reduced.

I think that is a FAIR AND BALANCED APPROACH.... It's a RESPONSIBLE approach.

Let's not argue about who started what and who's to blame.... Let's just get busy and SOLVE the problems.

The stuff going on is all negotiating, people get overly concerned because one side or another puts out a heavily slanted offer. Both sides know that it will be a balanced thing. Democrats know cuts will occur, Republicans know revenue and really the tax rates will go up.

So of course Obama says we want 1.6 billion in revenue, and the republicans say no tax rate increases and 800 billion, but then we cut x,y, z.

They will meet somewhere in the middle, things will get cut, and taxes will go up. No matter what they do, it won't be enough sure, but both sides are already talking about major tax reforms next year that would probably bring rates down for many people (not necessarily meaning you pay less).

Also, 57hemicuda, I explictly said that I understand state/local taxes have probably not gone down, they really do tend to go up and never go down.

It isn't like I'm pro-tax, or pro-spend, I just try to view things from all angles.

The country will be fine, America is not going down the tubes, and there's no need to build a bunker and chances are we'll be in a better place 4 years from now than we are now. That has zero to do with who is our president, the government, the rich paying more or less, etc, it's because contrary to what some might believe, Americans just tend to not accept those things and work hard to get out of holes.