Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[camsdad]

Originally Posted by IMPALA MAN

1. For people getting unemployment: Take all of the job postings (be it private and government) and require say 25 or 50 a week to be applied for by the unemployed. This would be required in order for your benefit check to be issued.

2. For people getting disability: I watch people every day that are in a wheelchair, go to work. There is a local business in my area that employ the blind. We once had them help counting at inventory....they were more accurate than the employees that had their eyesight!!!! So let's take the disabled, yes even the "obese" ones and give them a position. If you can cart your lazy butt to Walmart, you can cart your butt to work. There are people that are truly disabled. That is not who I am addressing. I am however addressing the deadbeat mooches, that hunt, fish, play sports, etc and claim disability. You know who you are!

3. For taxes: FLAT TAX!!! Very simple it's a magic word called proportional. EVERYONEpays the same percent. Read the good book. It says 10% of what you make goes to the Lord. Not 12% for some and 4% for others. Taxes should be the same way.

4. For Government Spending: make the government a business and ran like a business. We all know if we ran our business like the government, we would have went broke within the first year!

The chances of all of this happening.....did you ever hear that snowball survival story??

Summary:
Deadbeats get off your can and pull your weight. Until then you are nothing more than a mooch.

Government officials, start treating it like your own business, or risk loosing your pay and LIFELONG benefits!

Unemployed, start being a part of the solution instead of all of the problem. You too are a mooch, unless you are making every attempt to get work.

Life is not always a cake walk. Start manning up and be Americans instead a bunch of mooches!!!!

My 2 cents

While I mostly agree here I see a potential problem with item # 1 & 4.

#1 IMO While I do agree that there are many folks that are slackers and moochers looking for a free hand out of any kind even though they are capable of contributing to society, "I got them 2nd and 3rd generation on the other side of my family" I have personally witnessed 1st hand the psychological toll it takes on someone who has worked hard all their life, moved up the corporate chain, became the household bread winner only to loose their job due to the corporation cutting back so those higher up can keep their bling bling. This particular individual I'm thinking of did acquire another similar type job (Medical field) a year and a half later only to have their 40hr a week job cut in hrs down to we will call you when we need you status. Yes this individual does receive unemployment and does apply to at least 5 job every day in a 60 mile radius of their residence. I have seen the list.
So based on these statistics, this individual has applied for approximately 1300 jobs in the last year alone. From what I understand their primary problem with not acquiring a good job or a frekin job of any kind in their field is that they are not Bi-lingual.
So from what I understand here is now you have to speak Spanish fluently and English is secondary. WTF is wrong with this picture.
When did it become mandatory to speak Spanish as a primary national language here in the US?


#4 If the Govt was ran like a Business or in its case a Corporation, the problem I see is the "Leaders" Pres, Congress, Senate, House, ext...would give themselves Enormously HUGE Bonus's at the end of each year and there would no longer be any form of elections. We the people would no longer have a say in our government.
In addition, if they can not balance their budget, lol! They will piss on us honest hard working back breaking tax paying little folk some more.

Just venting my thoughts a bit.

[Shmoov69]

Originally Posted by camsdad

#4 If the Govt was ran like a Business or in its case a Corporation, the problem I see is the "Leaders" Pres, Congress, Senate, House, ext...would give themselves Enormously HUGE Bonus's at the end of each year and there would no longer be any form of elections. We the people would no longer have a say in our government.
In addition, if they can not balance their budget, lol! They will piss on us honest hard working back breaking tax paying little folk some more.

And this is different than what we have how?!??!

[camsdad]

Originally Posted by Shmoov69

And this is different than what we have how?!??!

Exactly the point.
IMO even though I would HOPE it would.Problem is power corrupts.

[Sieg]

Here's the latest compensation data posted in the local Eugene, OR paper:

The cost of a City of Eugene worker

Average cost per full-time equivalent employee (total wages and benefits, but excluding overtime)

American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees

08-09 fiscal year: $70,419

12-13 fiscal year: $80,540

Full-time equivalent employees: 609

Eugene Police Employees’ Association

08-09 fiscal year: $91,568

12-13 fiscal year: $106,572

Full-time equivalent employees: 241

International Association of Firefighters

08-09 fiscal year: $107,434

12-13 fiscal year: $117,230

Full-time equivalent employees: 172

Non-unionized employees/managers

08-09 fiscal year: $106,375

12-13 fiscal year: $115,489

Full-time equivalent employees: 418

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The overtime is most likely excluded because it would probably cause local rioting.

How many people do you know that will be receiving 10+% compensation increases from 08-09 to 12-13?

I know the police have a lot of flexibility when it comes to banking OT compensation so most of them jump on it, seniority applies.

Many of these public servants are working 32-40 hours a week, many working 4 - 10's so working 5-10 hours a week of OT is nothing.

We've all seen how hard cops work at football and basketball games.......that's double OT.

Here's the entire article which will give a little insight into the mindset of councilors and city manager.
http://www.registerguard.com/web/upd...-fire.html.csp

What baffles me is people in the community actually believe the same people that negligently created this problem are capable of resolving it.

[GregWeld]

I might be out of touch -- but I just don't think 100K per year is "good money"... I personally think that would put someone right square into the "middle class" and most likely would also require the wife, if any, to work
as well.

I don't mind my public employees being middle class Americans. I have SEVERAL police officers as friends -- I also belong to the Seattle Police Athletic Association... and I can tell you that none of them are above middle class even with overtime. They don't have the hot rods and stuff that "we" do. And if they do - they're building them at home and it take a lot of months or years to complete.

What I'd like to see cut out - is the multiple pensions that many of them stack up! My buddy get's a pension for life for being a Major in the Army - then is stacking up a separate healthy pension from the city... He'll make more in pension than he does working. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT in my opinion. He'll also be able to do all of this while retiring "early".

Regular folks don't work for one place for 20 years - quit - then go work another 20 for someone else and get the pensions these "government service" workers do and that's where it's messed up, and the costs are horrendous!

[Flash68]

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
~Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher

[Sieg]

Greg - I'd say a little out of touch due to living in major financial hubs in the country. $50-$75K is an above average salary in Eugene/Springfield, not many over $150K. Based on advertising demographics by zip code that I've contracted. $50-$75K is more like and average household income.