Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Bucketlist2012]

Funny after the Depression guys like Vanderbuilt,Rockerfeller,Carneige, and others brought the poor into the middle class.. They created Jobs to allow the poor to become middle class..

Did they reap obscene profits ? Sure they did, but without them the job creators, the poor wpould not have risen into the middle class..

Now ? Obama depends on his base of Poor voters...Trying to punish the rich is just political and not economics....It is to please his voters...In reality it won't pay the Debt...

So the middle will suffer the most, the poor will NOT be pulled up into the middle class, and the Rich will be the scapegoat but will still be rich...

That is my prediction for the next 4 years...And people will try to blame Bush, Fox news and the Right....Which is laughable at best.

P.S. I am not posting to change someone's mind..Even talking with friends with liberal views, I don't try to change their minds...Let them believe what they want. But when they try to say I am brainwashed by Fox, I wll call them on it everytime..I don't need to watch T.V or read the paper to know what is going on.

[Z10ROD]

we just need tax reform. everyone should pay the same % and all should pay for healthcare. how ever we get there. eventually we should get there.

I have just as much of a problem with the obstructionist congress as the entitlement rich white house.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Z10ROD

we just need tax reform. everyone should pay the same % and all should pay for healthcare. how ever we get there. eventually we should get there.

I have just as much of a problem with the obstructionist congress as the entitlement rich white house.

I agree -- FLAT TAX -- personal and corporate... ZERO deductions. But I'd index the flat tax by income - less for those earning less and more for high earners. Maybe a 10 - 15 - 25% deal or something.

I agree on the congress/white house comment as well. We need to toss them all out and have a do-over.

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I agree -- FLAT TAX -- personal and corporate... ZERO deductions. But I'd index the flat tax by income - less for those earning less and more for high earners. Maybe a 10 - 15 - 25% deal or something.

I agree on the congress/white house comment as well. We need to toss them all out and have a do-over.

MY first response in this thread. Agree 100%...

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012

So the middle will suffer the most, the poor will NOT be pulled up into the middle class, and the Rich will be the scapegoat but will still be rich...

AMEN!



They've already done the math --- I've heard it repeated on several news shows (as in CNBC - Not Fox! Which I've never watched) - that if you taxed the "rich" 1% ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of their income - you still couldn't balance the budget..

Thus the SPENDING needs to be reeled in --- and the taxes need to go up as well... And I think almost anyone with half a brain can understand that math. The problem is -- Nobody that's getting "help" wants to help - and nobody that's paying wants to pay more unless they get some spending cuts. I totally get that.

It's POLITICS.... and I think the PEOPLE of the United States of America are sick and tired of BS politics. I know I am.

All I ask is that the 535 plus the POTUS -- start to actually work for ALL the People rather than playing to their special group.

[Mkelcy]

If anyone here considers being referred to as a Fox News viewer as an insult, perhaps there is hope for the right in this country. Otherwise, I'd like to be shown where I insulted anyone in this thread.

Otherwise, you boys keep working on your reach around technique, you're obviously enjoying yourselves. (For those keeping score at home, that was, and was intended to be, an insult.)

[Ron in SoCal]

Jeez Mike....you just validated Bucket's characterization of Libs. Congrats man; that's a promotion to irrelevance.

P.S. with the right female partner, a reach around aint so bad.

(That was not intended as a shot at for you Bucket)

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

If anyone here considers being referred to as a Fox News viewer as an insult, perhaps there is hope for the right in this country. Otherwise, I'd like to be shown where I insulted anyone in this thread.

Otherwise, you boys keep working on your reach around technique, you're obviously enjoying yourselves. (For those keeping score at home, that was, and was intended to be, an insult.)

you never disappoint.

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by camcojb

you never disappoint.

Jody, if you'd just weigh in on the substance, rather than the tone, we might get somewhere. Greg feels free to state, with no objection from you or anyone else here, that I need to get more information than I can gleen from TV news, and that's just fine. I mention Fox News, and you all get up in arms. Got double standard much?

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

Jody, if you'd just weigh in on the substance, rather than the tone, we might get somewhere. Greg feels free to state, with no objection from you or anyone else here, that I need to get more information than I can gleen from TV news, and that's just fine. I mention Fox News, and you all get up in arms. Got double standard much?

I'm a LARGER supporting member. Back to that 1% vs 47%....