Shooting in Connecticut

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by hifi875

lets see there was one in china last friday(knife i believe). the columbine idiots had made home made bombs. WTH is flimsy.

And how many people died because of those two things?

Oh that's right, zero!

Someone could make a bomb that could kill way more people than a gun. The worst school massacre was done with a bomb, but that's the thing, since then over the last 100 years it's a lot more difficult to get your hands on explosives, and it's just generally a lot more work to do similar damage.

The colorado guy had a bomb or something akin to it, if it was so efficient why did he leave it where he lived, instead of just driving a car bomb to the theatre?

I'm not saying ban guns, I'm saying that people generally accept that the second amendment doesn't say you can bear any arms in particular, like oh an automatic weapon, a RPG, or a nuclear bomb. I think it's reasonable as one facet of an overall approach to say maybe we shouldn't sell armor piercing bullets to just whomever, or high capacity clips, or high powered assault rifles.

It will NOT fix the problem tomorrow, I mean the gun used in this shooting was banned, but grandfathered in, but nothing will fix it immediately.

[GregWeld]

You remember when we had a drag strip in almost every community in America back in the 50's and 60's? Why? To get kids to stop street racing....

Then we banned the drag strips 'cause they draw crowds and cause traffic problems and make too much noise...

Now we're back to street racing and kids getting killed.....

Don't those stupid kids know that's been banned!!!

[hifi875]

i didnt mean to sound insensitive. Its just a subject with no definitive answers. The media is just going on and on about it, sensationalizing the whole story and thinking they can find the answer to how and why. Then the politicians use it as a platform and say something must be done. But they don't know what to do either.

[hifi875]

Originally Posted by realcoray

And how many people died because of those two things?

Oh that's right, zero!

Someone could make a bomb that could kill way more people than a gun. The worst school massacre was done with a bomb, but that's the thing, since then over the last 100 years it's a lot more difficult to get your hands on explosives, and it's just generally a lot more work to do similar damage.

The colorado guy had a bomb or something akin to it, if it was so efficient why did he leave it where he lived, instead of just driving a car bomb to the theatre?

I'm not saying ban guns, I'm saying that people generally accept that the second amendment doesn't say you can bear any arms in particular, like oh an automatic weapon, a RPG, or a nuclear bomb. I think it's reasonable as one facet of an overall approach to say maybe we shouldn't sell armor piercing bullets to just whomever, or high capacity clips, or high powered assault rifles.

It will NOT fix the problem tomorrow, I mean the gun used in this shooting was banned, but grandfathered in, but nothing will fix it immediately.

He wasn't a teenager, but timothy mcveigh, lets see, he killed 168 poeple including alot of children 19 to be exact.

[Shmoov69]

It was a broad brushstroke about society in general, not just this particular instance. There is no denying that things that were once socially unacceptable are now quite acceptable and sometimes even praised. (I'm talking about the US BTW) The only thing it takes for evil to prevail is for good to do nothing. I am aware that Evil will ALWAYS exist and that bad people do bad things, but it is only getting worse by (either) the good being silent, or the good being silenced.
My .02

Originally Posted by realcoray

This is so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.

What video game did Charles Whitman play in the 1960s before killing 16 people?

Google for a list of school shootings (or massacres, they are nearly one and the same). You'll find a list that extends hundreds of years, where people including kids killed someone at their school.

Have we been on a decline that long, since basically the country was created?

Or has it been the case that damaged people have existed and will continue to exist, and that their access to high powered guns has simply increased, meaning as a group it's a lot easier to kill whole groups of people very quickly?

I'm not saying that's the only issue in play here but it's certainly one of them.

[intocarss]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

When someone can show me that banning something ends the problem -- I'll totally agree with you. 'Til then - it's nothing but a feel good move that solves nothing.

We banned booze for awhile

We banned drugs

We don't allow teenage sex

We pledge to stay married for ever and ever

We swear to God "we'll never do "it" again".... and that lasts maybe 15 minutes.

We're humans. Humans just don't mind very well. Most of us do... but those few pesky ones -- well -- they just ruin it for all of us.

[Bryan O]

Originally Posted by realcoray

Oh that's right, zero!

Wrong! 60 million.

Are you saying we should emulate China?

I think it's reasonable as one facet of an overall approach to say maybe we shouldn't sell armor piercing bullets to just whomever, or high capacity clips, or high powered assault rifles.

It will NOT fix the problem tomorrow, I mean the gun used in this shooting was banned, but grandfathered in, but nothing will fix it immediately.

Correct! It WILL make things far worse. It WILL set the stage for an American Mao.

The things you want to ban ensure we will not have an American Mao.

[rugbyguy]

Gentleman,
I was going to go into to a ten minute tirad about how american's don't need tactical weapon, but probably not gonna change anyone's mind. So here is a little info I picked up. Gun Deaths 2011 Japan 48, Great Britan 8, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, United States 10,782.

I live in Canada where we have laws that regulate restricted and prohibited firearms. I don't walk around in fear and feel the need to arm myself. If someone takes my stuff I have insurance. If some comes into my house I have a sherwood 5050 hockey stick( no pun intended), and 911.

Just my $0.02

Cheers
Mack

P.S. I'll be sure to see some of you profiled on a upcoming episode of Doomsday Preppers. :

[Shmoov69]

Originally Posted by rugbyguy

P.S. I'll be sure to see some of you profiled on a upcoming episode of Doomsday Preppers. :

LOL!! Never seen it, but a lot of us wear tinfoil hats down to the south of you! We must find them quite comforting or something!! LOL!

Really tho, for some reason or another (or many), a lot of us just don't trust our government. I think that is a big reason for our "fear".

[Bryan O]

Governments can definitely be trusted. Trusted to produce Hitlers.

Since Mack threw up Germany as an example let's do the math:

6,000,000 ÷ 10,782 = 556.