69 Camaro v2.0 - Project "Major Havoc"

[FETorino]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

I'll take yours over those high strung race engines anyday without that much less power. You'll just turn the key and listen to her purr from stone cold. It won't piss down it's own throat on a hot day. While they are lashing valves, you'll be kicking back in your lawn chair enjoying a beer. After their 2nd or 3rd rebuild you'll be changing the oil for the fifth or sixth time.

Originally Posted by DFRESH

He speaketh thy truth.

Isn't it great to see another one of these come together? I am really curious how much average TQ this one will make from 2500 on up with that cam. It should be stout.

D

Maybe that's true about the little Chevy that still doesn't run but my motor is way mild. Look at the specs on my cam it's only 660 lift and duration @ .050 is only 258/270 not allot for 496 ci. Mine idles at 800 rpm. I admit it is soft down low.... only 559ft lbs of torque @ 3000rpm.

Chris, yours should be a creampuff with the EFI and Hydro cam. Maybe too much of a creampuff

For a first gen you have picked the best power source, with that I agree.

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

I'll take yours over those high strung race engines anyday without that much less power. You'll just turn the key and listen to her purr from stone cold. It won't piss down it's own throat on a hot day. While they are lashing valves, you'll be kicking back in your lawn chair enjoying a beer. After their 2nd or 3rd rebuild you'll be changing the oil for the fifth or sixth time.

This is the kind of rambling that occurs once you get out of the game for awhile.

[Vegas69]

Originally Posted by Flash68

This is the kind of rambling that occurs once you get out of the game for awhile.

Hey, I'm simply saying that Chris won't need a full time mechanic riding shotgun, that's all.

[Sieg]

Chris I'm sensing a trend, you may need these to navigate your thread in the future.

[chr2002ca]

Originally Posted by Sieg

Chris I'm sensing a trend, you may need these to navigate your thread in the future.

I've been wearing those to work lately so I'll just keep them on when I hop online.

I'm bringing a street engine to a racing fight here, and I think DG's and Rob's engines are kickass for what they're intended for, so I think I'll just lay low on this one and try to dodge the crossfire.

I look forward to when we can all get together again and lay down some rubber. That actually goes for quite a number of Cali folks here on the board. Doug, Matt, Chad, Ron, Stig, Dave, Curtis, Rob, we gotta get our friggin cars on the road and do some SoCal/NorCal/NV cruising and events together. Too many of us have been off the road for too long. Todd, it ain't the same without an active build thread from you here either. Hope you're recharging your batteries and gathering up a war plan over there in Vegas.

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

When the words mechanical and 270 duration enter the conversation, the word mild shouldn't be used.

The man has a point.

Originally Posted by Vegas69

Hey, I'm simply saying that Chris won't need a full time mechanic riding shotgun, that's all.

Can't argue with that either.

But in my case that has more to do with ineptitude.

Originally Posted by chr2002ca

I look forward to when we can all get together again and lay down some rubber. That actually goes for quite a number of Cali folks here on the board. Doug, Matt, Chad, Ron, Stig, Dave, Curtis, Rob, we gotta get our friggin cars on the road and do some SoCal/NorCal/NV cruising and events together. Too many of us have been off the road for too long. Todd, it ain't the same without an active build thread from you here either. Hope you're recharging your batteries and gathering up a war plan over there in Vegas.

Absolutely!

[Vegas69]

Originally Posted by chr2002ca

I've been wearing those to work lately so I'll just keep them on when I hop online.

I'm bringing a street engine to a racing fight here, and I think DG's and Rob's engines are kickass for what they're intended for, so I think I'll just lay low on this one and try to dodge the crossfire.

I look forward to when we can all get together again and lay down some rubber. That actually goes for quite a number of Cali folks here on the board. Doug, Matt, Chad, Ron, Stig, Dave, Curtis, Rob, we gotta get our friggin cars on the road and do some SoCal/NorCal/NV cruising and events together. Too many of us have been off the road for too long. Todd, it ain't the same without an active build thread from you here either. Hope you're recharging your batteries and gathering up a war plan over there in Vegas.

I'm like a charcoal brick with this whole deal. I like to talk about it but the work... I'm sure my itch to throw my money down the drain and make a mess out of my shop will intrique me again, eventually.

Until then, I'll just be the cynical asshole I've always been giving you guys hell.

[chr2002ca]

Been doing a lot of research for my T-56 Magnum install. Seems like you don't really know what's going to work until you actually get the parts and try installing them. Dale from Texas on his build thread just ran into this. Another perfect and kinda funny example is here. Watch the time frame of 0:39 to 0:54 on the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quukwCTMGUI

Typical marketing stuff right? Now fast-forward in that video and watch the time frame of 2:44 to 3:45. And then later in the Part II video clip, they had to build a custom crossmember also.

That right there is a perfect example of our pro-touring build challenges. The marketing and claims don't always hold up in the garage.

For my build, I'm confident I have all the correct components with the exception of the hydraulic throwout bearing. I think I'll buy 3 different ones(GM LS, GM ZR-1, and RAM) and use the one that fits and return the other 2.

[Flash68]

Chris, will you take over the build on my car?

Buy 3 .. use the one that works... return the other 2. Brilliant.

[DaleTx]

Originally Posted by chr2002ca

Been doing a lot of research for my T-56 Magnum install. Seems like you don't really know what's going to work until you actually get the parts and try installing them. Dale from Texas on his build thread just ran into this. Another perfect and kinda funny example is here. Watch the time frame of 0:39 to 0:54 on the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quukwCTMGUI

Typical marketing stuff right? Now fast-forward in that video and watch the time frame of 2:44 to 3:45. And then later in the Part II video clip, they had to build a custom crossmember also.

That right there is a perfect example of our pro-touring build challenges. The marketing and claims don't always hold up in the garage.

For my build, I'm confident I have all the correct components with the exception of the hydraulic throwout bearing. I think I'll buy 3 different ones(GM LS, GM ZR-1, and RAM) and use the one that fits and return the other 2.

That video really hit home... Lol.

Even the experts have issues making things fit.

I finally did find the right combination of parts to mate up a T56 Magnum, ZR-1 Twin disc clutch, GM ZR-1 hydraulic throwout bearing, and Quicktime LS steel bell housing to fit my 69 Camaro with a Gen IV LS engine. D&D Performance makes a machined aluminum spacer 0.980" thick that goes between the T56 trans and the QT bell. With the spacer the ZR-1 throwout bearing fits, and the input shaft on the trans slips into the pilot bearing about 3/4". D&D had the part on the shelf so this must be a common issue.

I don't know if these numbers will help you to figure which throwout bearing to use for you set up... but here are the dimensions I ended up with. The total depth of the bell and spacer on my set up is now 6.53", the ZR-1 clutch is about 4.13" thick (from the back of engine to the fingers on the clutch). With these dimensions the ZR-1 hydraulic throwout bearing works. For the pilot bearing I used the stock LS pilot bearing that presses into the larger bore on the end of the crank.

Goodluck with your install