Your views on guns.

[SuperSport]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

If Supersport supports the constitution as he claims, then he should be able to see that. IF he supports the constitution then he should be angry that it's being unfairly attacked by people who don't understand it. His view is one of those who takes the media headlines as 100% truth and forms his opinion after reading the ticker or hearing a two minute story/debate. IF he supported the constitution he would educate himself on the matter and become involved. Do I expect him to have the exact same view as me? No. However, I do expect him to do more than spout off comments like that.

O.k. this is good.
Let me ask you this, is there a gun problem in America?
When Americans get killed every day do you think that is an o.k. thing, a non issue? Or do you believe only people in South American countries get killed?
Believe me our politicians are coming for your weapons. Americans like sheep wil be more than happy to turn them in when this happens.
I was talking with a gun owner at work and asked him if the president asked him to turn in his guns or face fines or jail time, he answered he would turn them in. I was laughing.

[SuperSport]

Gun owners think EVERYONE should own guns (I know not felons or people with mental issues).
Gun control people think no one should own weapons.

Its black or white.

I apologize for being neither and grey.

But stay tuned it will happen. At least I am not afraid to say we Americans have an issue that needs attention for the safety of all Americans. Sandy Hook or someone losing their baby should never happen in this country.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

Gun owners think EVERYONE should own guns (I know not felons or people with mental issues).
Gun control people think no one should own weapons.

Its black or white.

I apologize for being neither and grey.

But stay tuned it will happen. At least I am not afraid to say we Americans have an issue that needs attention for the safety of all Americans. Sandy Hook or someone losing their baby should never happen in this country.

I believe this too, but its going to take people control. A sick person made this happen. A sick person that by law should not have been able to own a firearm.

In 2008 I witnessed many non gun enthusiast buying up guns just due to the Obama craze. Some of these are the people that should worry about. Many of the will not take ownership seriously. Im willing to bet most of those guns are loaded and sitting behind a door or is a sock drawer.

The anti's seriously believe that if they remove all the guns, crimes involving guns will stop. The logic is not there.

[force-fed-snake]

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by force-fed-snake

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

so you are taking it upon yourself to infringe on a possible legal purchaser the right to own a gun? interesting. Is this based on racial profiling or gut feeling?

[force-fed-snake]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

so you are taking it upon yourself to infringe on a possible legal purchaser the right to own a gun? interesting. Is this based on racial profiling or gut feeling?

im not taking away anybody's "right" to own a gun.... I am unaware of any law that says I have to sell to somebody simply because its legal for them to own it.

the point was more that as a gun supporter, I dont think that EVERYBODY legally capable of owning firearms..... should.

I dont have anymore to add to this disscussion.

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by force-fed-snake

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

Bravo! I take your statement not as the Racist thing as others have stated, but as that of a responsible person. If more people took an interest in being responsible we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I applaud you for realizing that firearm ownership isn't for you. It's not for everyone.

You are 100% spot on. There is no one size fits all there. America, God Love her is complicated. Not infringing on the good citizens rights, while solving issues is a delicate balance.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

that's admirable, you are an exception! most gun shops only look at the bottom line, as long as they pass the background check cha ching, they ring em up

even if they pass a background check as put forth as a guide line by the federal government they should not have the right to purchase? ok. this is getting better.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

if you have some really agitated, drunk, or drugged up customer trying to buy a gun, would you still want to sell him one just because they pass the background check?

sure, but was this the case? how about a 21 year old, wearing saggy jeans, cap on backwards and just hopped out of a lowered honda civic with a pitbull in the passenger seat? If he passes a federal background check do you think he should be able to make a purchase. Keep in mind that car theives don't go to dealerships to buy cars...most of the time. Just trying to make sense of the logic.

I know you see what im getting at.