Your views on guns.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

Gun owners think EVERYONE should own guns (I know not felons or people with mental issues).
Gun control people think no one should own weapons.

Its black or white.

I apologize for being neither and grey.

But stay tuned it will happen. At least I am not afraid to say we Americans have an issue that needs attention for the safety of all Americans. Sandy Hook or someone losing their baby should never happen in this country.

I believe this too, but its going to take people control. A sick person made this happen. A sick person that by law should not have been able to own a firearm.

In 2008 I witnessed many non gun enthusiast buying up guns just due to the Obama craze. Some of these are the people that should worry about. Many of the will not take ownership seriously. Im willing to bet most of those guns are loaded and sitting behind a door or is a sock drawer.

The anti's seriously believe that if they remove all the guns, crimes involving guns will stop. The logic is not there.

[force-fed-snake]

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by force-fed-snake

I'm not only a gun owner, but I hold an FFL, I turn down buyers all the time... simply because I dont think they should own a firearm. granted I'm "small time" gun smith/dealer.... and every sale is a big deal to the bottom line... BUT its my duty... not as a responsible dealer.... but as a human to do my part if I don't think someone should own a firearm. I do have (and use) the right to refuse service to anybody

I fall into the gray area too... where just because somebody can legally own a weapon.... doesnt really mean they should

I see the bigger problem being everyone trying to fix a system with a one size fits all patch.... and that simply is not the how system works. I dont have all the answers.. I can only simply do what I can do. I dont see the system changing anytime soon.

so you are taking it upon yourself to infringe on a possible legal purchaser the right to own a gun? interesting. Is this based on racial profiling or gut feeling?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

that's admirable, you are an exception! most gun shops only look at the bottom line, as long as they pass the background check cha ching, they ring em up

even if they pass a background check as put forth as a guide line by the federal government they should not have the right to purchase? ok. this is getting better.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

hey man i live in medellin colombia, i feel MUCH safer here than i would in chicago. the cops here don't play, a lot of them carry sub machine guns or m16s. two months ago two kids snatched a lady's purse down town, a cop saw it go down and yelled stop, then shot one in the leg, the other one stopped instantly. if regular people catch a thief in the act, they will stomp the crap out of him while waiting for the cops to come get him after the beat down....

Chicago, according to our commander and chief has the strictest gun laws in the country.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

new orleans is not part of the u s of a anymore. sadly after katrina hit, all the red white and blue left N.O. only the entitlement state was left behind....

they are not alone, take a closer look at how parts of the east coast are after storm sandy hit. its still a mess.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

if you have some really agitated, drunk, or drugged up customer trying to buy a gun, would you still want to sell him one just because they pass the background check?

sure, but was this the case? how about a 21 year old, wearing saggy jeans, cap on backwards and just hopped out of a lowered honda civic with a pitbull in the passenger seat? If he passes a federal background check do you think he should be able to make a purchase. Keep in mind that car theives don't go to dealerships to buy cars...most of the time. Just trying to make sense of the logic.

I know you see what im getting at.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

it is almost impossible to get a ccw in medellin, yet there are 20 to 45 murders a month in the city lately, but it is the drug dealers fighting over territory. it's 3k for a cheap 12 gauge through legal channels, my buddy is a retired police capt from the usa that has been here 12 years, he got a ccw back then, and paid 6k for a s&w 38 revolver through legal channels. i asked a taxi driver where i could buy a gun for home protection, he got me a sig .380 for 750 bucks in an hour. lol

its kind of perverse in that the mob called la oficina ran medellin really well. they kept the peace in that, when low level hood rats would do stupid stuff ie kill people of petty stuff and create problems in the barrios, the oficina would wack them and the area was peaceful again. after the cops decimated la officina, there are now 3 different groups competing for control of the city and as a result a lot of new murders, kind of back fired, it was better when the cops and the mob had a working relationship. lol

thats just wrong.....you paid 6K pes for a 38, whats the conversion? 4 bucks?.....LOL down town oakland you can buy one out of a back of a van for $300 US.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by ratman67

no 6k DOLLARS...... through legal channels you pay like 5k in taxes included with the price of the gun!!!


today its 1829 col pesos to a us dollar

where the hell do yo live? lol

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

I'll try to be a bit more PC. Moderate me if you need to, I totally understand.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?