Matt clear coat, would you do it again?

[Rick D]

Originally Posted by kush69

I have sprayed spies hecker matt clear over basecoat with no problems ,single paint job, the drawback is that the paint job has to be pretty flawless no sand and polish on any dirt or runs and no spot repairs

^^^^^ That's why the paint company's recommend to clear it first then reclear with the mat clear. Also you do not have the same UV protection when you only clear it with mat clear.

I never said you couldn't just use mat clear I just stated the correct way to do it. As I said I did stay in a Holiday Inn!!

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by Rick D

^^^^^ That's why the paint company's recommend to clear it first then reclear with the mat clear. Also you do not have the same UV protection when you only clear it with mat clear.

I never said you couldn't just use mat clear I just stated the correct way to do it. As I said I did stay in a Holiday Inn!!

What paint companies? PPG DCU2060 and Global D8115 mention nothing about pre clearing with gloss prior to matte clearing in their instructions.

[Rick D]

Originally Posted by Musclerodz

What paint companies? PPG DCU2060 and Global D8115 mention nothing about pre clearing with gloss prior to matte clearing in their instructions.

Sikkens, and Glasurit, and Standox. As for car manufacturers Hyundia with their Matte Veloster, BMW, and Mercedes Benz.

Mike if you are to ask your PPG rep they would tell you to do it this way. To use the product you do not have to clear with gloss clear first, but if you are doing a complete car you will not have the same UV protection if you only use Matte clear.

Also you will not get the same smooth finish just going matte clear directly over base coat as you will going over sanded clear coat!

As I said I have not painted "my" car with Matte but I have done quite a bit of testing and more then ten matte jobs at a few customers.

Again "can" you do it without clear coating with gloss clear YES, will it give you the best and most durable finish NO!

Just trying to help on a subject I know about, that's all.

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by Rick D

Sikkens, and Glasurit, and Standox. As for car manufacturers Hyundia with their Matte Veloster, BMW, and Mercedes Benz.

Mike if you are to ask your PPG rep they would tell you to do it this way. To use the product you do not have to clear with gloss clear first, but if you are doing a complete car you will not have the same UV protection if you only use Matte clear.

Also you will not get the same smooth finish just going matte clear directly over base coat as you will going over sanded clear coat!

As I said I have not painted "my" car with Matte but I have done quite a bit of testing and more then ten matte jobs at a few customers.

Again "can" you do it without clear coating with gloss clear YES, will it give you the best and most durable finish NO!

Just trying to help on a subject I know about, that's all.

I have not used the other brands matte clear, only PPG. I would hope the PPG rep would not tell me to apply in a different manner stated in their instructions.

http://www.benspaintsupply.com/wp-co...lear+11+12.pdf

http://www.automotivepaintandequipme...and%20Flat.pdf

[Rick D]

Originally Posted by Musclerodz

I have not used the other brands matte clear, only PPG. I would hope the PPG rep would not tell me to apply in a different manner stated in their instructions.

http://www.benspaintsupply.com/wp-co...lear+11+12.pdf

http://www.automotivepaintandequipme...and%20Flat.pdf

Mike those are just the TDS sheets for the products. What I'm talking about is the process of how you go about repairing or doing a complete paint job on a Matte cleared car from one of the OE company's to repair or repaint. This process would be the same if you were redoing a MB or doing a custome car.

I have not tested PPG's matte clear but I have a couple of friends that are tech reps for them and we have had talks about this. They have the same recommendation as most of the paint company's.

In most cases we (the paint company's) have just adapted what the OE's have put out as to how repair their Matte paint on their cars.

Yes I agree that I would hope your rep would not tell you something that is not on the TDS sheet, but this would come from their repair proses sheet not the product data sheet.

[Musclerodz]

I understand what your getting at now.

[Moabdude]

Thanks for all the advice and warnings. The car is not going to be my daily driver but will be on the road maybe 20 times a year, tops.

But is there actually some one who did his car with matte clear coat?
If yes, would you do it again?

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by Rick D

Mike those are just the TDS sheets for the products. What I'm talking about is the process of how you go about repairing or doing a complete paint job on a Matte cleared car from one of the OE company's to repair or repaint. This process would be the same if you were redoing a MB or doing a custome car.

I have not tested PPG's matte clear but I have a couple of friends that are tech reps for them and we have had talks about this. They have the same recommendation as most of the paint company's.

In most cases we (the paint company's) have just adapted what the OE's have put out as to how repair their Matte paint on their cars.

Yes I agree that I would hope your rep would not tell you something that is not on the TDS sheet, but this would come from their repair proses sheet not the product data sheet.

The global sheet does not mention it, but the sheet for 2060 mentions it can be applied directly over basecoat. A concern I would have if you are trying to achieve a dead flat result, would be the fresh gloss undercoat gassing out and raising the gloss level of the matte top coat as it cures. The matte is very finicky in application and mixing to achieve even levels of finish over large surfaces. I have shot the outside of one car matte. It was over gloss that had already cured over one year, and it was a two-tone gloss/matte finish, but have shot plenty of engine compartments and interiors straight over basecoat with excellent results. It also helps to use appropriate cleaners for matte finishes as well. I really like wizards matte detailer to keep surfaces clean.

[Rick D]

Originally Posted by Musclerodz

The global sheet does not mention it, but the sheet for 2060 mentions it can be applied directly over basecoat. A concern I would have if you are trying to achieve a dead flat result, would be the fresh gloss undercoat gassing out and raising the gloss level of the matte top coat as it cures. The matte is very finicky in application and mixing to achieve even levels of finish over large surfaces. I have shot the outside of one car matte. It was over gloss that had already cured over one year, and it was a two-tone gloss/matte finish, but have shot plenty of engine compartments and interiors straight over basecoat with excellent results. It also helps to use appropriate cleaners for matte finishes as well. I really like wizards matte detailer to keep surfaces clean.

As of now I have not seen any changing of the gloss level with the reclearing. I have checked a few cars that have been done with this proses, two of which were done over six months ago and look great even through the summer.

As for matte over base, you can go over it with no issues and I have done lots of engine compartments as well and they look great. I have done quite a few bikes as well directly over base with great results. Both of these are not prone to UV light all the time, the bike for sure but most aren't kept out side with a custom paint job.

The biggest reasons for clear coating and then sanding and reclearing with matte is you get that very smooth surface which let's the matte clear lay down so much flatter and smoother, and the best UV protection you can get.

I have not tried the wizard product for matte clear?? I will have to get some and check it out. The only products I seen and tried were from Hyundia, BMW, and MB. But all come as a kit and are very costly, well the BMW and MB were.