Healthy Living 101

[GregWeld]

I work out with a pro trainer 3 days a week - one hour each day - he kicks my arse…


So…. since my arteries are fine - ZERO hard plaque via a heart scan -- I decided I didn't need statins… since I was in the 100 range.

3 months later after a blood draw -- I'm DOUBLE THAT. I say WTF to the Doc… who tells me -- Tough titty… some peoples DNA is just that way. Get over it.

[SSLance]

#1 I don't trust the damn lipid panel tests

#2 I don't trust the damn pill pushing docs

Going to the Doctor for a lot of folks is kin to a sweet innocent girl taking her car to a dealership for some recommended service and trusting everything the Service rep says just because he is supposed to know what is best.

We learned this mainly while taking care of my wife's Grandmother in the later years of her life. One HAS to take control of your own health, you press the Doctor if you don't like their answer, you question their actions, if you really don't like their diagnosis, get a second opinion, remember, they work for you, not the other way around.

My wife weighs around 110#s, her Cholesterol number came back at 243 about the same time mine was at it's highest... Her doctor never even mentioned her taking a statin.

[Twoblackmarks...]

I dont think you should should "bash" carbohydrates that much.

The body need all Three, Fat, Proteins and Carbs.

Carbs are a very good energy Source With the right type, and fast carbs that increase insulin is not that bad always.

Even though insulin increases fat Storage, it also is an anabolic hormone (rebuilding) and increases the bodys way of "digesting" or faster/better use of nutrition. It speeds up the use of other nutrition too

A good example is after training, and some in the breakfast. For those two times the body needs fast nutrition, especially after training of course. But not doughnut type of course All other times, slow. Basically

Proteins are a poor energy Source, and fat, while a good energy Source, the body does not have it readily available, since it is in "Storage", the body must go through a process to get it. It does not always have the time to do that. (Like you burn fat when walking, and carbs when sprinting)

While carbs are more readily available, if the the body needs them NOW!

I am not saying this is Perfect or more right, but if you are active and such, carbs are good, if you do less and not very active, then you can go very low on carbs. But then you also need less fat.

I like to see it as a house being buildt.

The Protein are the material to build walls and New rooms. Too few will not get stuff done, more than you need is better there.

The Carbohydrates are the workers - To few, slow or ineffective building, to many workers and it gets messy and crowded With most sitting around and getting lazy.

The fat are more like the Tools, lubricants and keep the workers happy and is an reserve Source. -Sort of

Insuline is then an sort of boost to the house building, but you cant boost all the time. But if planned correctly, boosting Works. (after training or?)

And fatty acids are extremely important, because it Controls and regulate all the hormones in the body, so Liquid omega 2-3 times a day does much, especially to a poor Fish eater, but Fish in Food is still noe enough, in my opinion. That also helps stabilizing for example insulin better. I think it is better to drink much omega 3-6-9 and eat somewhat less fat, good fat in regular diet is not so easy to acomplish, for me atleast.

If you think I am wrong, please say so/discuss, I am not an expert, but think about it, and dont believe blindly/to much of what "Professionals" say, and me for that matter But People are somewhat different, find some sort of middle road that you like that Works for you anyway.

And carbs are a good energy Source! It is like Race Fuel, you can run more compression and more advance on it

[Tony_SS]

Get your Fats Straight
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...-get-it-right/

No, carbs in the form of grains is one of the worst things you can put in your body. Again, most all carbs, like wheat are a modern poisen. They have been genetically modified with a new protein (Gildan) designed to make you fat and sick. Period.

The only good grains are organic fermented grains. Forget everything else.

I'm still rockin' the Paleo diet, 148lbs still, down from 175. Still eathing raw organic meats and veggies as much as I can. I've made great friends with the farmers at the market.

Local REAL honey is antibacterial. Raw milk is a great probiotic. Organic veggies, and something Never mentioned here (I think) homemade SOAP! STOP putting these petro chemicals into your body in the form of shampoo's, bar soap and deodorant.

I've converted my wife, she has lost 44lbs so far too.

Yes we've been lied to.. "Eat low fat," they said. No Butter they said. Use margarine they said". It's all BS. Never trust a doctors word either, lots are pill pushers getting kickbacks. Yes, my pharmacist ratted out some here in town.

Let food be your medicine. Don't trust cheap, rancid supplements either, they are heavily processed (some).

Cheers to good health.

[Twoblackmarks...]

Who eats wheat? That is something you eat for dessert, after you have eaten real Food, or only sometimes to eat something thats more yummy.


And I think the farming in US cant compare to Norway, ALL we eat is from local farms, so it may be hard to to compare to a big "industry" land like US. If I buy something imported it is almost always junk. -But much cheaper....

But to say ALL grains are bad is somewhat like saying all foreigners are bad because one are bad.

Wheat vs Oats, Rye, Barley?


And you can ask 5 different so-called experts and get 5 different answers on low fat vs no carb and such. The body wants all of them in some way or another. And it Depends a lot on what you do, are you a pencil pusher With TV as hobby, or an Olympic medalist in skiing.

It is as easy as:
You become what you put in Your mouth, put in junk -become junk.

[Vegas69]

Originally Posted by SSLance

Wow, very interesting thread. It is pretty cool to see a bunch of "car guys" talking about eating and living healthy.

My deal started a little over 2 years ago now. I was 45 years old, 6'0" and weighed about 180 pounds, pretty healthy I thought, just a little bit of a spare tire forming. Went for my annual physical, nailed the EKG, Stress test, everything looked good...until the blood work came back.

July 2011
Cholesterol 179
HDL Direct 32
Triglyceride 191
LDL Calculated 109

The Doc was mainly concerned about my Triglyceride levels, wanted to put me on a Statin. I refused and started a workout regimen, 30 minutes on treadmill 5 days a week, started drinking 8 oz of Grape juice a day (to raise good cholesterol) and taking an Omega supplement once a day.


Went back for more blood work in Oct 2011
Cholesterol 218
HDL Direct 29
Non-HDL Cholesterol 199
Triglyceride 195
LDL Calculated 150

This pissed me off enough that I stopped working out (aggravating knee trouble contributed as well), but continued with grape juice and omega supplement.


In Jan 2013 went back for more blood work
Cholesterol 243
HDL Direct 34
Non-HDL Cholesterol 209
Triglyceride 291
LDL Calculated 151

Again, the doc stressed that I need to be on a Statin, diagnosed me as "pre-diabetic". Well, just about everyone in my family has been diagnosed as "pre-diabetic" at one time or another due to Triglyceride levels, yet none of them have developed actual heart disease.

The wife and I sat down and decided to change the way we live, drastically. First although we thought that we ate pretty healthy, we reevaluated everything we consume and took out anything that would be considered "processed food". We committed to a fresh fruit, fresh vegetable and sensible protein diet, morning noon and night. We learned about better fish to eat, not just any fish, we learned about adding almonds to the mix, we learned ways of cooking food in a healthier manner. And the wife quit her high stress job and took some time off to just chill and spend a lot of time running to the grocery store for fresh food and making my lunches for me. I've always packed a lunch, but now my lunches have bags of carrots, cut fresh green peppers, nuts, and a light sammich in them instead of jello pudding, applesauce, and cookies along with a big ol honking sammich in there.

We also researched omegas...and learned a TON. I'm convinced the Omega supplement I was taking was wreaking havoc with my system. We found a supplement that was better fit and I started taking it once a day and I quit the grape juice

It's a life change for sure, but one for the better. I lost close to 10 pounds pretty quickly, lost about an inch off my waist and my spare tire went away...and I was eating MORE than I was before portion size, meaning I wasn't starving myself to do this. After 3 months I went back in for more blood work.

May 2013
Cholesterol 211
HDL Direct 29
Triglyceride 184 (the big one)
LDL Calculated 145

Ir was unbelievable to me that just a strict dietary change could lower my Triglyceride level over 100 points in a 3 month period.

You'll never guess what the doc said... "you still need to start taking a statin..." I just glared at her and she understood.

Anyway, it's 5 or 6 months later now, we are still on the "healthy eating kick", weight has stayed right at 170#s or so, feel great and I haven't been back for any more blood work. I wear a fitbit to track my footsteps per day, and try to keep as active as I can, but I don't see me becoming any sort of a workout warrior. My schedule and sore knees just don't fit into that plan. But I like the healthy living and seriously...it is becoming more and more regular all of the time and hopefully society as a whole will head further down this road which will just give us more and more good choices of food instead of more of the crap that is in the center sections of the grocery stores.

Lance, way to go! It's good to see that you took responsibility and didn't automatically trust your doctor. Doctors are great at treating the symptoms, not changing your lifestyle. I have become friends with a family practice doctor that I respect. His first order of business is always lifestyle change. In doctors defense, many don't want to change, they want to pop a pill. The other side of it is it's much less profitable for a doctor to change lifestyle. My friend is getting ready to open a wellness center as part of his practice which I think is fantastic.

I challenge you to drop the health kick language and call it a lifestyle change. Keep educating yourself and trying new things. Nutrition has made such a profound difference in my life. It's always evolving.

[Vegas69]

One thing I have found since I started down this road is that nutrition is much like religion or politics. Everybody thinks they are right. In many cases they are right. It's important to experiment and find what works for you personally. We all have inherit strengths and weaknesses within our systems. Moral of the story, there is no one size fits all.

It really comes down to this:

How do you feel?
How do you look?
What do the numbers tell you? (Scale, Blood Work, Resting Heart Rate, Blood Pressure, EKG, Etc)

Another thing I've learned here is to have an open mind. Tony talked me into diminishing my dairy intake which I'm glad I did. I still like my non GMO wheat.

[Stuart Adams]

Health is the most important thing for sure. Good topic. Todd, glad your doing well.

If money can fix it its not a problem, when it can't means trouble.

[Vegas69]

Originally Posted by Tony_SS

Get your Fats Straight
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...-get-it-right/

No, carbs in the form of grains is one of the worst things you can put in your body. Again, most all carbs, like wheat are a modern poisen. They have been genetically modified with a new protein (Gildan) designed to make you fat and sick. Period.

The only good grains are organic fermented grains. Forget everything else.

I'm still rockin' the Paleo diet, 148lbs still, down from 175. Still eathing raw organic meats and veggies as much as I can. I've made great friends with the farmers at the market.

Local REAL honey is antibacterial. Raw milk is a great probiotic. Organic veggies, and something Never mentioned here (I think) homemade SOAP! STOP putting these petro chemicals into your body in the form of shampoo's, bar soap and deodorant.

I've converted my wife, she has lost 44lbs so far too.

Yes we've been lied to.. "Eat low fat," they said. No Butter they said. Use margarine they said". It's all BS. Never trust a doctors word either, lots are pill pushers getting kickbacks. Yes, my pharmacist ratted out some here in town.

Let food be your medicine. Don't trust cheap, rancid supplements either, they are heavily processed (some).

Cheers to good health.

I read the link and I want to point out that Certified Organic means no synthetic pesticides are used and they are NON GMO. I posted info a few pages back on GMO's.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/ams....cct=nopgeninfo

Tony, I was just thinking about the chemicals in deodorant and soaps today. Have you found the natural products to work?

Originally Posted by Twoblackmarks...

I dont think you should should "bash" carbohydrates that much.

The body need all Three, Fat, Proteins and Carbs.

Carbs are a very good energy Source With the right type, and fast carbs that increase insulin is not that bad always.

Even though insulin increases fat Storage, it also is an anabolic hormone (rebuilding) and increases the bodys way of "digesting" or faster/better use of nutrition. It speeds up the use of other nutrition too

A good example is after training, and some in the breakfast. For those two times the body needs fast nutrition, especially after training of course. But not doughnut type of course All other times, slow. Basically

Proteins are a poor energy Source, and fat, while a good energy Source, the body does not have it readily available, since it is in "Storage", the body must go through a process to get it. It does not always have the time to do that. (Like you burn fat when walking, and carbs when sprinting)

While carbs are more readily available, if the the body needs them NOW!

I am not saying this is Perfect or more right, but if you are active and such, carbs are good, if you do less and not very active, then you can go very low on carbs. But then you also need less fat.

I like to see it as a house being buildt.

The Protein are the material to build walls and New rooms. Too few will not get stuff done, more than you need is better there.

The Carbohydrates are the workers - To few, slow or ineffective building, to many workers and it gets messy and crowded With most sitting around and getting lazy.

The fat are more like the Tools, lubricants and keep the workers happy and is an reserve Source. -Sort of

Insuline is then an sort of boost to the house building, but you cant boost all the time. But if planned correctly, boosting Works. (after training or?)

And fatty acids are extremely important, because it Controls and regulate all the hormones in the body, so Liquid omega 2-3 times a day does much, especially to a poor Fish eater, but Fish in Food is still noe enough, in my opinion. That also helps stabilizing for example insulin better. I think it is better to drink much omega 3-6-9 and eat somewhat less fat, good fat in regular diet is not so easy to acomplish, for me atleast.

If you think I am wrong, please say so/discuss, I am not an expert, but think about it, and dont believe blindly/to much of what "Professionals" say, and me for that matter But People are somewhat different, find some sort of middle road that you like that Works for you anyway.

And carbs are a good energy Source! It is like Race Fuel, you can run more compression and more advance on it

Like most things in life, balance is the key. I have friends that are Vegans and a buddy that would eat a ribeye for every meal. You'll never see me with either of their philosophies on diet. I will eat a majority whole food plant based diet but I'll also enjoy a ribeye once in a while and salmon. While I think dairy is a huge health negative, I'll eat a pizza every week with light cheese. It's what you do a MAJORITY of the time that matters most.

In regards to carbs. Many carbs can be low on the glycemic index if you know what to eat. Whole wheat bread/pasta, Quinoa, Brown Rice are LOW while White Bread and White Rice are HIGH on the glycemic index. Your baked potato is HIGH on the glycemic index.

[Stuart Adams]

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