69 Camaro at Best of Show

[WSSix]

Don't forget through all this Matt that you've built one hell of a car regardless of what some judges say. You're comments are correct IMO as well.

I think Mike has a good point about removing the "pretty points" from a performance competition. Maybe that's the solution and the direction the people in charge of OUSCI will head.

[Ron in SoCal]

"networking"

[Sieg]

[aray327]

I love going to OUSCI! It's a great place to see outstanding cars get hammered.

I was thinking while watching the event that it's interesting to think you can objectively pick a winner at an event when there is a subjective portion of the judging. I agree with your opinion on the design segment! And I agree with whoever said it should be a separate award or eliminated altogether. Personally I think it should be separate to recognize someone who has really gone above and beyond to put together something exceptional. I love having the opportunity to see a mustang that was never built by Ford up close and personal, much less put through the paces at a racing event.

More importantly, Matt you were a winner before you arrived at the event! Your car has been at SEMA two or three times?? And you had the opportunity to compete in an event most of us will NEVER get to participate in. No matter what the scorecard or judges may say, you performed better than any of us key-strokers did simply by showing up. So congrats!

[tmadden]

Man I love that color!!

[Matt@BOS]

Aaron, thanks dude! I really need to thank Bill and Yancy for giving me the opportunity to compete in the event. All of us are at least a little bit competitive, otherwise we wouldn't be looking for ways to go faster. I had a great time out there with the car last weekend even though my times didn't set the world on fire. However, next year I will be equally happy to go out there, hang out an BS without having to worry about driving.

BTW, it was funny running into on the street on Friday night. Out of the corner of my eye I was thinking, "hey, that guy looks like Aaron," but it seemed to random of a place and chance occurrence to be you.

Sieg, you perfectly captured the look of "ouch that power steering fluid really burns when it gets in those cuts." Man, I don't know, or want to know what is in that fluid, but I still have grime that seems like it is etched into my hands from handling those dirty fittings soaked in p/s fluid.

I should probably give the talk about design points a rest, but I had what I thought was a good idea:

I think each car should receive xx/25 points based on sub categories (each would carry a maximum of 5 points and minimum of 1)consisting of, strength of concept, cohesiveness of design, fit and finish, form and function and overall presence. This would lend more objectivity to the segment since judges would be basing their decisions less off of personal preference, and more off of personal opinion of how strong a car functioned in each sub category. For example, if a trans am styled car or vintage race style car (i.e. Strope's Martini Mustang) was being judged and it had a rear Lexan window and zero billet parts, and a judge happened to have a preference for billet parts, and limo tinted glass, the car would still be able to receive a fair shake based on the attention to detail used to distinguish the vintage racing theme throughout the car. Most importantly though, it would not force the judges to assign a simple objective points style ranking with clear winners and losers to a subjective design segment. Everyone competing has put a lot of effort into their cars and this system would acknowledge everyone rather than giving (in my opinion) some well built cars zero points. Suppose next year that half of the field is comprised of award winning cars of very similar build quality judges, with this idea judges won't be forced to give one car 25 points and another equally impressive car 5 points.

Okay, guys, that's my idea. what do you think?

[FETorino]

Originally Posted by Matt.A

Okay, guys, that's my idea. what do you think?

I agree.

The ranking in the design piece needs to be eliminated. It should be more of a design poker run as you describe with points for specific aspects. There doesn't need to be a winner and loser in the design portion but cars built to a high level should ALL get points.

I would also say there should be points within this potion for actual street car amenities. This is supposed to be the Ultimate street car competition.

[Vegas69]

My opinion is that the rules are clear before you have the privilege to run the event. It takes 4 solid segments to win including subjective judging. Without the judging, a race type car could easily wipe up the competition with the right driver. The rules seem to favor this segment as a pro touring car has won all but one year?

[Tom.A]

I think it is great you made the show and drove it there. Congrats!

[Chassisworks]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

My opinion is that the rules are clear before you have the privilege to run the event. It takes 4 solid segments to win including subjective judging. Without the judging, a race type car could easily wipe up the competition with the right driver. The rules seem to favor this segment as a pro touring car has won all but one year?

Agreed. This is my PERSONAL opinion: As soon as you take out the judged portion the spirit of the event will dissipate, the level of build will go down, and the true race cars will come out to play. I have a buddy with an address in Montana; it would be pretty easy for me to register anything to that address.

It's an INVITATIONAL. Even cars who qualify through other events are not guaranteed a spot.