Best handgun for home protection?

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

Never would have thought of that one. I was taught to shoot holding my firearm in close to my body in that type of situation. This really makes you start thinking what if scenarios in your head. I like it.

Greg did Front Sight teach any defensive tactics like this during your course?

No -- the course I took -- "4 day defensive hand gun", was about drawing from a concealed carry -- and putting two to the torso -- within 1.5 seconds… and clearing type 1.2.3 malfunctions in various times -- like a type 3 within 6.5 seconds… while moving… such as:


dead trigger. step. look. check for fresh mag. strip mag. rack rack rack. insert fresh mag. rack.

No fumbles. no flubs. Your life may depend on this sequence!

They have all kinds of classes depending on what you want to learn of course.

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

No -- the course I took -- "4 day defensive hand gun", was about drawing from a concealed carry -- and putting two to the torso -- within 1.5 seconds… and clearing type 1.2.3 malfunctions in various times -- like a type 3 within 6.5 seconds… while moving… such as:


dead trigger. step. look. check for fresh mag. strip mag. rack rack rack. insert fresh mag. rack.

No fumbles. no flubs. Your life may depend on this sequence!

They have all kinds of classes depending on what you want to learn of course.

Awesome. Laurie and I have memberships, but have never used them. I am way over due for a refresher and Laurie really could use that exact type of training.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

That's all fine and dandy but if im a bad guy you would already be dead by my secondary weapon which I had in my right hand before I attacked you in the first place. The attacker will always have the upper hand because only they will know how and when the attack is coming. No matter how much you train its almost impossible to over come this advantage. Smart technique other wise.

Never enter an unknown area with your weapon extended and always go wide when slicing "the pie". This advise will not only help you in a combat situation but at the Thanksgiving table next week.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Another note, it's nice to see the Gracie's involved with Police training. It's a great base system to work from.

I know this is about home protection. Know your home layout and protect your entry ways so you can limit the sections a theif or burglar can enter. Now days most dangers come from home invasions. Don't open your door and be smart when coming home since its getting dark earlier.


by the way i am not anti gun, anti concealed carry or anti castle doctrine. I am anti- stupid people doing stupid things that create stupid legislation to further restrict smart, legal gun owners like my self just minding my own business.

[GregWeld]

Curtis -- the training is VERY intensive… long grinding days… and I was exhausted by the end of each day. Well worth ANYONE'S time to take this type of training!

We did do room clearing - and as Vince referred to it - "slicing the pie" - and the kill tunnels such as doorways to other rooms etc. How to enter - how to search - how to think - how to defend…


None of it makes you an expert - what it does do is shows you how little you know - but is a great base to build on if you're in to this sort of knowledge and skill.

Lunches and after class time (after 5pm) there were excellent discussions on morals - ethics - legal - planning - etc which are all great topics you need to think about BEFORE ever having to use such lethal force.

VINCE ---

What you say is very true - you can not always defend from a surprise attack. That really wasn't what the discussion was about. Nobody is 100% safe. Nobody should walk around paranoid either. That would depend on where you live - where you are - time of day - and on and on…. They worked on us with this thinking (zones actually) about being in what zone depending on what/time/surroundings etc. About not going to the "white zone" (being totally unaware of what's going on around you)… but that is also totally unrealistic for most people that are happy just living their lives. I, for one, am not walking around in yellow zone all day every day.



This stuff is like track days -- the average guy is not driving a car on track very often… it can be MONTHS between events for the average guy. Taking classes and learning - doesn't make a guy A J Foyt…. The average guy is not being trained or dry firing - or practicing malfunction drills… or room clearing. If you (not you - but any YOU) are - and you're not a cop or in the defense business - I'd say you're a bit whacked… and my guess is that the average guy will forget everything he's taught if presented with an actual situation. I still believe it's my DUTY of ownership - to get some basic training and do some basic practice and skill building and try to keep relatively proficient.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Great point Greg.

Its like what I tell my friends and familly that carry, either open unloaded or concealed. You never know whats going to happen but don't let fear make you change your life. Once you do that I feel the bad guys have won without even being there.

But this doesn't mean you can live in denile thinking it can never happen to you. Just be smart and don't dismiss things going on around in your area.

Getting to know you neighbors and what is going on in your area can be helpfull to deter crime and help law enforcement. My neighbors let me know when they are going out of town or noticed odd things going on.
We had a rash of car break in's last year and with the help of a neighbor a block away we actually helped catch 2 teens in the act. Cops rolled up right when they had their heads in the glove box and trunk. They had coins, house keys, (never leave a copy of your house keys in your car along with your registration) credit cards and one guy had a large hunting knife which was concealed.

Just the little things you may not think about can make your life and home a little safer.

Instead of thinking defence, put the same amount of effort into deterrence.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

The average guy is not being trained or dry firing - or practicing malfunction drills… or room clearing. If you (not you - but any YOU) are - and you're not a cop or in the defense business - I'd say you're a bit whacked…

haa haa oh yeah. I have a few Tackleberries in my life. Its quite entertaining at times.

[GregWeld]

My cop buddy (Merle Carner - retired - now head of CrimeStoppers here locally) always tells me --- "I love the people with a gun in the nightstand but the bullets are safely in the basement!"


I fall into that category… all my stuff - ammo and all -- is safely locked away in a burglar and fireproof safe in the shop…

I know I'm lame -- but I'm more afraid of someone stealing it… than I am of being a victim.

On the other hand, when I'm on the road in the rig --- you wouldn't want to try to come in unannounced or uninvited.

[hud697]

Originally Posted by garickman

Under extreme stress, especially when there is an element of surprise, it's usually about luck more than anything else.

I was referring to target shooting

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by garickman

Makes sense.

Females do have a faster reaction time than males.