American Motors Xperimental full frame

[Sieg]

Cheap insurance until that $10 belt throws or breaks!

[FETorino]

Originally Posted by preston

I think you'd be hard pressed to get that dry sump system for $3k. Try more like $4k. I'd like to know what just the pan and pump cost without all the other sundries, in a brief email exchange with Dailey a few weeks ago I was not able to get a price on just those components, just got quoted for a full system.

My Dailey pan, pulley, belt and pump were just under $3k. You have to add the cost of a tank and lines to get the total cost so yea $3500 would be closer.

Ron the car looks even cooler in person.

[Cris@JCG]

Yeah! That does concern me @ times about a belt driving you oil pump..

Originally Posted by Sieg

Cheap insurance until that $10 belt throws or breaks!

You forgot the -16 fittings & hose with plumbing material.. I remember bitichen about what -12 fitting cost..

Originally Posted by FETorino

My Dailey pan, pulley, belt and pump were just under $3k. You have to add the cost of a tank and lines to get the total cost so yea $3500 would be closer.

Ron the car looks even cooler in person.

[71RS/SS396]

Originally Posted by Cris@JCG

I just got off the phone with Bill Dailey to build this for me... I could have him build you a 2nd one.. .. Cheap insurance in the long run!

Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.

[71RS/SS396]

Originally Posted by preston

I think you'd be hard pressed to get that dry sump system for $3k. Try more like $4k. I'd like to know what just the pan and pump cost without all the other sundries, in a brief email exchange with Dailey a few weeks ago I was not able to get a price on just those components, just got quoted for a full system.

Granted I get a discount but I was quoted $2350 for the 3 stage pump, ( C-6 version) pan, and drive hub.

[preston]

was that quote for the billet pan and integrated pump ? If so that's not a bad price, you are going to pay a $800 for a pump and $400 for a pan plus the plumbing from pan to pump and mandrel and drive pulleys so you're into it $1500 either way. THe billet pan and mounted pump are such a much better solution its worth another $1k if you can really get it for that. Of course for someone like who already has a pump and pan, there is no way to justify the move. I so love that clean, non-leaking setup though, the pan is so nice.

>Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.

I don't understand htis comment, that packaging looks tight to me, I've seen dry sump drives that stick out way further, that one looks good. Plus, how could it be closer to the block and not also be closer to the serp belt ?

As far as breaking the belt, this unfortunately did happen to me. Even though I have a big red light on the dash it was a very sunny day and I did not see it. I was on a "go kart" track doing the autox type thing so I was much busier than a road race track but still no excuse. I put a new super bright shift light right in my face. In my case, the belt had been stored for a year in a folded fashion, but I think the main culprit was I had it way too tight, these toothed belts don't need to be tight. Also as you can imagine on the go kart track the revs are up and down up and down.

My machinist, after disassembly, asked me how long it ran without oil, I said data log says 21 seconds. He said that was 20.5 seconds too long.
Just needed new bearings but he doesn't do anything half assed so it was almost a $5k belt for me, although that dollar figure probably included a few upgrades LOL.

[71RS/SS396]

Originally Posted by preston

was that quote for the billet pan and integrated pump ? If so that's not a bad price, you are going to pay a $800 for a pump and $400 for a pan plus the plumbing from pan to pump and mandrel and drive pulleys so you're into it $1500 either way. THe billet pan and mounted pump are such a much better solution its worth another $1k if you can really get it for that. Of course for someone like who already has a pump and pan, there is no way to justify the move. I so love that clean, non-leaking setup though, the pan is so nice.

>Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.

I don't understand htis comment, that packaging looks tight to me, I've seen dry sump drives that stick out way further, that one looks good. Plus, how could it be closer to the block and not also be closer to the serp belt ?

As far as breaking the belt, this unfortunately did happen to me. Even though I have a big red light on the dash it was a very sunny day and I did not see it. I was on a "go kart" track doing the autox type thing so I was much busier than a road race track but still no excuse. I put a new super bright shift light right in my face. In my case, the belt had been stored for a year in a folded fashion, but I think the main culprit was I had it way too tight, these toothed belts don't need to be tight. Also as you can imagine on the go kart track the revs are up and down up and down.

My machinist, after disassembly, asked me how long it ran without oil, I said data log says 21 seconds. He said that was 20.5 seconds too long.
Just needed new bearings but he doesn't do anything half assed so it was almost a $5k belt for me, although that dollar figure probably included a few upgrades LOL.

The pump set-up I'm using runs the belt behind the serp belt. Look at the link I posted above (#335) it shows the one I'm using.

[Cris@JCG]

Tim- I changed to the same design you got.. Trouble I have is getting clearance for the rack n pinion.. But Bill will machine a spacer to get the pump closer to the centerline of the crankshaft with a pump that has the inlet clocked in a different position..

Originally Posted by 71RS/SS396

Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.

[57hemicuda]

In the end I will probably end up with the Dailey stuff, I'm just whiney because I just dropped 5K on 2 LS3's. I was even digging in the sock drawer to come up with that cash, any future purchase I make Dawn will know about. Then she'll make me put in the kitchen I've been promising for the last 2 years.LOL

[Flash68]

Your basement isn't the worst place in the world to live and sleep.