Best shocks for daily driving a 69 Camaro

[Rod P]

Ridetech

[Motobrewmaster]

Which shock would you recommend for a 80% street with some auto cross and track day time?

Oh and Ron looking forward to your book(s) and your shop to come online.

[dhutton]

I like Bilstein. I wonder if Hotchkis realized any cost savings when they went to Fox. I am guessing they didn't take a cut in their profit margins....

Don

[Dipped]

Originally Posted by dhutton

I like Bilstein. I wonder if Hotchkis realized any cost savings when they went to Fox. I am guessing they didn't take a cut in their profit margins....

Don

I completely agree! However they are soooo far behind the offerings from todays venders that it hardly even matters lol.

[chetly]

Can you buy the ridetech shocks in a non adjustable version and then upgrade them to a single or double as time/money/knowledge permits like you can with a JRI? I know the JRI's for my 07 Z06 are $750 a corner for a double adjustable shock. That's pretty reasonable for that quality of shock.

[MarkM66]

http://www.hotchkis.net/rear_hps_100...ofirebird.html

The picture shows Bilstein shocks, but the ad states Fox.

[Vegas69]

AFCO is a good option and more economical.

[Ron Sutton]

Originally Posted by Motobrewmaster

Which shock would you recommend for a 80% street with some auto cross and track day time?

Oh and Ron looking forward to your book(s) and your shop to come online.

When I first started exploring the PT scene, I saw that Ridetech was very popular and didn't really know why. Over the last year, I've gotten to look at a lot of shock valving curves from almost all of the PT Shock manufacturers. After some dyno testing & revalving Ridetech shocks of our own, the picture got more clear. There are many factors that define the actual real world handling & ride characteristics of a shock. The dyno curve is one of them. It’s an important one, but just one of several factors.

The factors that matter most to the ride & handling are:
1. Piston design - defines the valving curves possible
2. Piston seal & friction - self explanatory
3. Bleed valving - controls the initial shock responsiveness control
4. Valving control – in most cases a stack of special shims that deflect & define the oil flow through the piston
5. Adjustability range - To tune or adjust for very different situations like track & street
6. Rebound & compression bleed over - how much does one adjustment affect the other valving
7. Body & overall shock design – affects how it manages the pressure, control & responsiveness
8. Stiction - pressure required to get the shock to initially respond
9. Internal rod/shaft pressure - affects initial shock responsiveness

I’m sure I left some things out, but you get the idea. Items 1, 2, 3, 4 play the biggest role in the valving curve. Items 5 & 6 define the range & accuracy of tuning. Items 7-9 define how well the shock can keep the tire gripping the asphalt over irregular surfaces.

Other things matter too, like ...
• Is it rebuildable?
• Is it revalvable?
• Parts availability?
• Tech support?
• Customer service?
• Warranty?
• Return/repair policy?
• And lastly initial purchase price & TCO ... total cost of operation.

What I learned about the Ridetech shock … and I hope I’m not sharing any of their trade secrets … are:
a. By running larger bleed valve orifices
b. Combined with stiffer main valving from the piston & shim stack
c. Inside an extremely well designed shock
d. Provides the best balance of ride comfort over irregular surfaces & bumps … and handling control with heavy cars in cornering situations.

Other perks or benefits of their design are:
e. Wide range of effective adjustability
f. Very low pressure bleed over
g. Fully rebuildable
h. Easy to revalve for different curves

I have experienced good parts availability, tech support & customer service. Since I don’t own a set of Ridetech shocks on a street car, I can not personally vouch for the million mile warranty or their return/repair policy … but I hear great things from their customers.

Where the rubber meets the road for most guys is initial purchase price. I am super impressed with how much shock you get for your money. In my opinion, the Ridetech shocks are the best shock in their price range by far. Nothing that costs close to the Ridetech shocks can compare to the quality & performance of this shock. It is a heck of a value.

Most people … not all … but most, do not look at TCO ... the total cost of operation. They should, but don’t always think past getting their baby running. When we factor in the million mile warranty and you realize you won’t ever need to replace these shocks. After years of use, if the shocks fail, just have Ridetech rebuild them. So the initial cost is the total cost … well … wow.

I/We have revalved some Ridetech shocks with my “secret sauce” valving to achieve what I call “Mean Autox valving.” In one version, on Lance Hamilton’s 85 Monte Carlo SS, we can tune the valving to be a mean AutoX performer … kicking butt on an amazing list of C6 Vettes, WRX’s & other cars … and the wide adjustability range allows the shocks to be adjusted back to great street ride. In another version, we make the valving “meaner” for competition purposes and the ride can be adjusted back to “pretty good” for the street, but not as well as Ridetech is famous for. This second version is for cars that see less street time & are more concerned with winning events. I was blown away at how well these shocks perform on track with some of my “secret sauce” mean race valving.

Do I feel Ridetech are the best shocks available? No. I hope I don’t hurt anyone’s feelings, but there are a handful of better true racing shocks out there. They cost a lot more, and in higher levels of competition where winning races is king, these other brands are the better choice for racing or all out track performance. But the questions so far on this specific forum thread have been about ride quality & handling performance on the street & occasional AutoX or track day. I feel Ridetech shocks are awesome at this & offer the best value.

For full racing & hardcore track shocks, I rate the top brands as follows, in order:
1. JRI
2. Penske (upper levels only)
3. Ohlin
4. ARS
This rating can change … and has over the years … as shock manufacturers come out with new designs. For all out track performance, the JRI shocks are tops. They cost more, but if winning races & events is important to you, then you will justify the cost.

Just so folks are clear on my business situation & objectivity … I am a dealer for 17 brands of shocks, including most being discussed here.

[Motobrewmaster]

Ron, thanks for an excellent and thorough response. From what you have mentioned the Ridetech shocks (dampers) sound a good fit for my application.

I come from a motorcycle road racing back ground so I have some experience with shock technology, construction and tuning. I have/use Ohlins & Penske shocks on my bikes and can attest the quality and "adjustibility" they offer. We dyno our shocks and re-valve them as needed, plus rebuild them often due to the rigors of the track.

To hear that some of these qualities can be had in a shock for the price of the Ridetechs is truly amazing and well worth it. Being on a relatively modest budget for this build up means these seem perfect for my needs.

Ron would you say there is enough adjustment in the off the shelf ones for mild track tuning? Being new to 4 wheeled suspension tuning means I will most likely do allot of playing. I have much to learn and find making the adjustments and testing really helps me understand what changes will do in the real application vs text book.

[Ron Sutton]

Originally Posted by Motobrewmaster

Ron, thanks for an excellent and thorough response. From what you have mentioned the Ridetech shocks (dampers) sound a good fit for my application.

I come from a motorcycle road racing back ground so I have some experience with shock technology, construction and tuning. I have/use Ohlins & Penske shocks on my bikes and can attest the quality and "adjustibility" they offer. We dyno our shocks and re-valve them as needed, plus rebuild them often due to the rigors of the track.

To hear that some of these qualities can be had in a shock for the price of the Ridetechs is truly amazing and well worth it. Being on a relatively modest budget for this build up means these seem perfect for my needs.

Ron would you say there is enough adjustment in the off the shelf ones for mild track tuning? Being new to 4 wheeled suspension tuning means I will most likely do allot of playing. I have much to learn and find making the adjustments and testing really helps me understand what changes will do in the real application vs text book.

The answer to that question is subjective. I think for most guys, the standard valving is good for street & track. The more hardcore you are about track performance, the greater the need to have Ridetech or someone like my operation revalve them with more aggressive rebound valving.

You might consider buying them off the shelf & run them some. Then if you want them more aggressive, you can always have them revalved.