LS Swap headers

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by 67Rally

Blake, those look great! More money than I really want to spend right now with all the other projects going on. But do you have pics of how they fit around the PS box?

No I don't. but I think the closest tube was over an 1" away, sorry you'll have to take my word for it. sorry.
you certainly wont need your HAMMER to install them

[fishface]

Blake, price is ok with me as long as I dont have to fight it. Any ideas if a tru-turn system causes any problems??

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

$900!

A house payment + property taxes for a month.

Why are headers so expensive? The only reason I can think of is the welding. That's crap though too because you don't get much of a discount (if any) if you by them unwelded. For the usually meager performance gains, headers seem to be the worst value out of anything you can bold on your engine besides dress-up pretty bits. Unfortunately, most manifolds won't work on a 1st gen so we are forced to buy headers.

If someone came up with a header design as that fits as nicely as those Speedtech ones appear to and put a reasonable price on them, they'd corner the market and make their money back in droves. Unfortunately, it seems that the manufacturers that have the best fitting units charge huge money for them and the ones that are more reasonably priced don't bother to make theirs fit any better which would put the more expensive ones out of the market. Makes no sense to me.

I'll stop ranting now.

[fishface]

Lol!! I hear what you are saying. Unfortunately there is very little we can do on these cars on the cheap. You wouldnt think to upgrade the stock subframe would cost more than the car was new but it is. The thing is we love these cars and would beg, borrow, steal or kill to improve them and that drives the market. I would still rather put $70k into my 69 than buy a new one for. $40k so I bite he bullet and burn the reciepts.

[Jay Hilliard]

Ultimate Headers may be another alternative. They are shorty style stainless headers. I believe several Lat-G members have used them on their builds. They have a pic on their website stating Mark Stielow is using them on his current project.

[chichirone]

Here is a pic of the Dynatech headers and DSE600 steering box. Plenty of clearance. Used DSE mounts. I'm pretty sure it is a 3* trans angle.



Here is a pic from underneath. I don't have a side view yet but they are tucked up pretty tight.

[rickpaw]

That's what strange thing I've noticed with Dynatech headers. Some people seem to have great clearance with the headers tuck up nice and tight. Then we have some people (myself included) have issues with them hanging too low.

I wondered if I have the wrong DSE mount, so I checked the p/n with the packing slip and they match.

Not sure what the deal is I'll probably get a set of mid lengths and be done with it.

[rickpaw]

Originally Posted by chichirone

Here is a pic of the Dynatech headers and DSE600 steering box. Plenty of clearance. Used DSE mounts. I'm pretty sure it is a 3* trans angle.

Here is a pic from underneath. I don't have a side view yet but they are tucked up pretty tight.

Jay, can you please take some close up shots of the motor mounts, and perhaps measure the distance from the block (not oil pan) to the sub frame cross member?

[Wissing72]

Originally Posted by Jay Hilliard

Ultimate Headers may be another alternative. They are shorty style stainless headers. I believe several Lat-G members have used them on their builds. They have a pic on their website stating Mark Stielow is using them on his current project.

These are the flanges on the Ultimate Headers for my Chevelle. (totally different application using a RS chassis) Well built and good looking.
The ones that Blake showed are nice as well. Headers are one of those things that you are kind of stuck, either spend alot and get a good piece or buy some inexpensive ones and fight fitment and even worse... Leaks. Kinda comes down to what is your time and frustration level worth?

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi

$900!

A house payment + property taxes for a month.

Why are headers so expensive? The only reason I can think of is the welding. That's crap though too because you don't get much of a discount (if any) if you by them unwelded. For the usually meager performance gains, headers seem to be the worst value out of anything you can bold on your engine besides dress-up pretty bits. Unfortunately, most manifolds won't work on a 1st gen so we are forced to buy headers.

If someone came up with a header design as that fits as nicely as those Speedtech ones appear to and put a reasonable price on them, they'd corner the market and make their money back in droves. Unfortunately, it seems that the manufacturers that have the best fitting units charge huge money for them and the ones that are more reasonably priced don't bother to make theirs fit any better which would put the more expensive ones out of the market. Makes no sense to me.

I'll stop ranting now.

You get what you pay for, the headman header for 169.00 what do they fit? even the Hooker comp 69 Camaro headers are a joke. it is like anything. if you want quality you have to pay for it. you could build your own stainless headers for about 2000.00 to 2500 depending on what material and how tight the chassis is 900 is a deal.
Not ripping on you but someone had to take the time to design the part and actually put it on a car to see if it fits, then do all the fixturing, all the test bends, throw away 5 length of stainless tube, readjust the jig. retest fit them. You see my point. And then your lucky if there is 25% margin in the part. So after you sell 50 sets you may have broken even on the part.
Last time I checked the idea was to make money, but also sell parts the WORK!!! there are so many parts I won't even sell regardless of price because they SUCK!
There Rant over lol