LS Swap headers

[rickpaw]

Originally Posted by chichirone

Here is a pic of the Dynatech headers and DSE600 steering box. Plenty of clearance. Used DSE mounts. I'm pretty sure it is a 3* trans angle.

Here is a pic from underneath. I don't have a side view yet but they are tucked up pretty tight.

Jay, can you please take some close up shots of the motor mounts, and perhaps measure the distance from the block (not oil pan) to the sub frame cross member?

[Jay Hilliard]

I don't have pics of the frame mounts. You can call some one like Matts Classic Bowtie's who sells Camaro parts to get specs on the frame stands.

[Wissing72]

Originally Posted by Jay Hilliard

Ultimate Headers may be another alternative. They are shorty style stainless headers. I believe several Lat-G members have used them on their builds. They have a pic on their website stating Mark Stielow is using them on his current project.

These are the flanges on the Ultimate Headers for my Chevelle. (totally different application using a RS chassis) Well built and good looking.
The ones that Blake showed are nice as well. Headers are one of those things that you are kind of stuck, either spend alot and get a good piece or buy some inexpensive ones and fight fitment and even worse... Leaks. Kinda comes down to what is your time and frustration level worth?

[chichirone]

Originally Posted by rickpaw

Jay, can you please take some close up shots of the motor mounts, and perhaps measure the distance from the block (not oil pan) to the sub frame cross member?

I will not be able to get up close pics for another week of so. I'll ask the shop to take a measurement from the block to the cross member.

These may be helpful in the meantime...

We had to clearance the DSE motor mount.


We had to clearance the oil cooler by dimpling the header tube


Better angle of how tight the headers fit

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by fishface

Blake, price is ok with me as long as I dont have to fight it. Any ideas if a tru-turn system causes any problems??

NO IDEA we don't use the truturn so I cant help you there

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi

$900!

A house payment + property taxes for a month.

Why are headers so expensive? The only reason I can think of is the welding. That's crap though too because you don't get much of a discount (if any) if you by them unwelded. For the usually meager performance gains, headers seem to be the worst value out of anything you can bold on your engine besides dress-up pretty bits. Unfortunately, most manifolds won't work on a 1st gen so we are forced to buy headers.

If someone came up with a header design as that fits as nicely as those Speedtech ones appear to and put a reasonable price on them, they'd corner the market and make their money back in droves. Unfortunately, it seems that the manufacturers that have the best fitting units charge huge money for them and the ones that are more reasonably priced don't bother to make theirs fit any better which would put the more expensive ones out of the market. Makes no sense to me.

I'll stop ranting now.

You get what you pay for, the headman header for 169.00 what do they fit? even the Hooker comp 69 Camaro headers are a joke. it is like anything. if you want quality you have to pay for it. you could build your own stainless headers for about 2000.00 to 2500 depending on what material and how tight the chassis is 900 is a deal.
Not ripping on you but someone had to take the time to design the part and actually put it on a car to see if it fits, then do all the fixturing, all the test bends, throw away 5 length of stainless tube, readjust the jig. retest fit them. You see my point. And then your lucky if there is 25% margin in the part. So after you sell 50 sets you may have broken even on the part.
Last time I checked the idea was to make money, but also sell parts the WORK!!! there are so many parts I won't even sell regardless of price because they SUCK!
There Rant over lol

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by mikespeed95

Is it really just normal for these cars to all have the headers hanging down that low?

NO see page 1

[mikespeed95]

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi

I've been eyeing up the Texas Speed ones myself. I called them last week to try to get an installed picture but suposedly the guy who did the test fitting (and had is pix on his personal computer) was in Qatar or someplace. They were going to email him and ask for the pix but haven't gotten back to me yet. I'm going to give them another call this week and maybe you should too. If two of us are bugging them maybe they'll get the pictures.

On another note, can you have a local machine shop reface the flanges and clean them up so they are flat?

I think I know who that is, I'll Facebook him a link to this thread.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by fishface

Blake, price is ok with me as long as I dont have to fight it. Any ideas if a tru-turn system causes any problems??

judging by the pictures shown they should fit fine.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

You get what you pay for, the headman header for 169.00 what do they fit? even the Hooker comp 69 Camaro headers are a joke. it is like anything. if you want quality you have to pay for it. you could build your own stainless headers for about 2000.00 to 2500 depending on what material and how tight the chassis is 900 is a deal.
Not ripping on you but someone had to take the time to design the part and actually put it on a car to see if it fits, then do all the fixturing, all the test bends, throw away 5 length of stainless tube, readjust the jig. retest fit them. You see my point. And then your lucky if there is 25% margin in the part. So after you sell 50 sets you may have broken even on the part.
Last time I checked the idea was to make money, but also sell parts the WORK!!! there are so many parts I won't even sell regardless of price because they SUCK!
There Rant over lol

really? if I had to sell my headers at $900 a set I'd have to out source them to Taiwan and i'd still loose my ass on it.

By my calcs I'd have to front 105 sets to sell for $900 a set. Thats $94,000.00.