1969 Camaro tru-turn

[Stovebolter]

Originally Posted by glr0212

Would love to see some pictures of the 69. what tire size did you use? What is the ride height?

I don't have any good pictures like yours but I did do a quick shot with the coil overs aired down. I'm running stock sub frame, Kore3 short spindle 14" brake kit and hubs, the Ridetech True Turn kit, and 18x9.5s with 5.75 bs and 275/35/18s. (Edit: stock height body bushings)

I did turn the flange inside of the outer fender (for mounting the inner) straight up and split the inner fender in multiple places so as to stretch the inner fender to the shape I wanted. The bolt you see in your picture is horizontal now on mine and plenty of distance away from tires edge. The only bolts I felt needed removed was the bottom most rear bolt. The tires did seem to just touch it on both sides. I had mine set at 24.5" from floor to body line in middle of fenders. ( edit: this ride height was after airing back up. )

My only trouble has been figuring out what LS motor swap setup will work with the tie rod adaptor. I think I have that answered now. Todd suggested using the newest Holley motor plates, trans crossmember, long tube headers, and modifying the old 302-1 pan slightly to clear the adaptor.

I'll try my best to remember to get some better pictures.

David

[bret]

Originally Posted by cwylie

Yeah your math was a little off but I think we are headed in the correct direction. Taking my brakes into account your are correct I should have ordered a 18x9 5.75 backspace but I went off what RideTech had posted on the website which was a 10 inch wide 5.75 backspace wheel would fit. There were no stipulations/recommendations around brake setup or anything like that and I really feel there should be. Even Brett stepped in earlier in the tread and stated the OP ordered the wrong wheels and should have ordered a 18x10 5.75 backspace without even looking at any other info. To he honest I am pretty disappointed with Ridetech and looking back I would have just gone with a aftermarket subframe. It least then I would have know exactly what fit and what didnt and I not be spending money doing the testing I feel Ridetech should have done before advertising their setup as a one stop shop.

Have you driven your car yet?

[Stovebolter]

I wonder....could it be a difference in hubs? Where did you get your hubs?

I only mention that because of all the frustrations I went through on a street rod build. Shouldnt be, but different manufactures had different wms to wms distances because they were made different. All of that and they claimed to be OEM Mustang II rotors.

[cwylie]

No I have not. I have been too busy trying to figure out what parts will or will not work with the tru turn setup. No one could answer me if the new holley pan and motor mount setup would work with the tru turn steering but it looks like Todd from Holley has figured out it will not. I already had my wheels built and mounted (based off the ridetech specs which will not fit any other setup) on my car before running across all this information. I really wish Ridetech would have provided better information on what exactly is needed to make this setup work and not just stating a 18x10 5.75 backspace will work. There is no mention of fender modifications, header clearance requirements, oil pan/motor mount requirements, mention of its only been tested by them using Baer brakes. I honestly feel like there is not enough information provided and I searched and searched for info but never found half as much as what has been discussed in this thread.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...h-truturn.html

[bret]

Originally Posted by cwylie

No I have not. I have been too busy trying to figure out what parts will or will not work with the tru turn setup. No one could answer me if the new holley pan and motor mount setup would work with the tru turn steering but it looks like Todd from Holley has figured out it will not. Im really regretting committing to the tru turn setup without knowing about all these fitment issues. I already had my wheels built and mounted (based off the ridetech specs which will not fit any other setup) on my car before running across all this information. I really wish Ridetech would have provided better information on what exactly is needed to make this setup work and not just stating a 18x10 5.75 backspace will work. There is no mention of fender modifications, header clearance requirements, oil pan/motor mount requirements, mention of its only been tested by them using Baer brakes. I honestly feel like I was mislead and I searched and searched for info but never found half as much as what has been discussed in this thread.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...h-truturn.html

Mislead?

Certainly not our intention in any way. We know a large number of combinations that work fine, but I'm not sure how to go about determining every combination that will NOT work.

As a hotrodder in your position, I would want my money back so I could start over with something that I felt better about. I will certainly accommodate that...and offer my apologies that we could not meet your expectations. If you could email me directly [[email protected]], with your invoice and contact information I can get that process started for you. Hopefully there is a system out there that is more universal.

[cwylie]

So maybe mislead was a little strong, sorry. I am very frustrated at this point because I feel like I keep swapping out parts. I wish it were as easy as returning the parts for a refund, I already have wheels custom built on the car based off the tru turn setup and they will not fit anything else. The case is the same for the headers, motor mounts and oil pan. In the very beginning of this project I decided to keep the stock subframe because of the information I got from the ridetech website on the tru turn setup. After almost abandoning the stock subframe at one point I figure I was already invested into this setup and proceeded forward. I searched and searched for information trying to make sure I was ordering the correct wheels/brakes/oilpan/motor mounts to use with the tru turn setup. I did the best I could but what I have learned from this thread alone would have completely changed several of the decisions I have made.

I guess my frustration is this. Very little of the information discussed on this thread as far as brake setup, wheel offsets and fender modifications are in the ridetech information. If it would have been mentioned in any of the information to make sure your brake setup maintains the stock width it would have caused me to order my wheels differently. I went off the blind assumption the information on the website was correct and while its not wrong I feel more could be provided on what exactly you need to do/check/modify to make it fit. Based off the information on the website and even the information I have seen you (Brett) post here it makes it all seem very simple and straight forward when that not the case at all. Im not asking for a list of all the parts that do not fit I would have just been happy with a list of parts to DO fit.

If your going to market this setup is a valid alternative to a new subframe there needs to be more information provided. If I would have gone with a Scott Mock/DSE/Speedtech subframe I would have know exactly what wheels, brakes, oil pan, motor mounts I would have needed. At this point the only part I dont actually own for the tru turn setup is the actual tru turn parts. I already have the a arms, spindles, coilovers, brakes for stock style spindles, wheels, tires, oil pan (thats not going to work), headers (that may work), motor mounts, and who knows what else. I cant just return the ridetech parts as the wheels I spent $1600 to have custom built based off the ridetech specs will not fit any other setup. I am frustrated because I have put so much into this setup based off the information read from ridetech that makes it sound so simple and thats not the case. So your right mislead is a little strong maybe misinformed is better.

[bret]

going home to dinner...we'll work toward solving your problem tomorrow.

[Blake Foster]

It is unfortunate that your project is not going according to plan. there are so many options these days that is can be overwhelming to say the least. it is like with our stuff, we know what fits if you use all the parts we know and make and use. if you called me and asked what wheels work on a truturn
I would just say I don't know. if you ask about Speedtech parts I would know the answer. that being said I am sure Bret will work with you to fix what he can.
good luck keep your head up this is hot rodding

[Stovebolter]

Originally Posted by cwylie

No I have not. I have been too busy trying to figure out what parts will or will not work with the tru turn setup. No one could answer me if the new holley pan and motor mount setup would work with the tru turn steering but it looks like Todd from Holley has figured out it will not. I already had my wheels built and mounted (based off the ridetech specs which will not fit any other setup) on my car before running across all this information. I really wish Ridetech would have provided better information on what exactly is needed to make this setup work and not just stating a 18x10 5.75 backspace will work. There is no mention of fender modifications, header clearance requirements, oil pan/motor mount requirements, mention of its only been tested by them using Baer brakes. I honestly feel like there is not enough information provided and I searched and searched for info but never found half as much as what has been discussed in this thread.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...h-truturn.html

Actually Todd told me that the new Holley/Hooker system will work with the Ridetech system with some modifications. But you must use the old Holley 302-1 pan to be able to clear the Ridetech tie rod adaptor. Then that pan must either be clearanced on the front of the pan to clear the Xmember or the Xmember must be notched to clear the pan. From what I gather the new system corrects all of the clearance and alignment issues that were prevalent with the old system. I am going to give it a try.

Don't give up yet brother. It's just a car. You'll get there. Unfortunately there are soo many options and combinations. Believe me, I'm the worlds greatest skeptic. Lol.

David

[jlwdvm]

This guy is making a stock frame with tru turn, headers, an LS, and 265 tires work:
http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/9...ld-in-PA/page2

Check out post #26.