...

Go Back   Lateral-g Forums > Lateral-G Open Discussions > Project Updates
User Name
Password



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-31-2014, 12:59 AM
1968 GTO Resto-Mod's Avatar
1968 GTO Resto-Mod 1968 GTO Resto-Mod is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 184
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default serpentine conversion

all the accessory pulleys are now aligned.
i used an assortment of crude washers and sleeves to get them into place.
from here i can calculate dimensions and order one-piece aluminum spacers from aluminumspacers.com...
the water pump pulley lined up to the crank pulley with 3/16" of spacing behind it, the alternator needed about 11/32" of spacing and the power steering pump required about 15/32" of spacing.
hopefully, nothing got pushed too far forward.

now i need to determine where the belt tensioner pulley will have to go, and how i might have to shape a bracket to mount it.
i have found various resources online which cover the basics behind this kind of modification.
there seem to be various opinions about whether or not power gains are possible with a serpentine conversion, but to be straight up... i'm just hoping i'll never have to fiddle with the v-belts again.
please feel free to chime in with your comments at any time.
thanks for your interest!
danny
Attached Images
  
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-31-2014, 08:31 AM
rickpaw rickpaw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 888
Thanks: 22
Thanked 25 Times in 19 Posts
Default

Great job on the belt set up.

The car is going to be sweet.
__________________
Tu Ho
67 Firebird (aka "Money Pit")-5.3/4l60e, restomod.
https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=43170
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-31-2014, 09:10 AM
Efi69Cam Efi69Cam is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 196
Thanks: 4
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1968 GTO Resto-Mod View Post
all the accessory pulleys are now aligned.
i used an assortment of crude washers and sleeves to get them into place.
from here i can calculate dimensions and order one-piece aluminum spacers from aluminumspacers.com...
the water pump pulley lined up to the crank pulley with 3/16" of spacing behind it, the alternator needed about 11/32" of spacing and the power steering pump required about 15/32" of spacing.
hopefully, nothing got pushed too far forward.

now i need to determine where the belt tensioner pulley will have to go, and how i might have to shape a bracket to mount it.
i have found various resources online which cover the basics behind this kind of modification.
there seem to be various opinions about whether or not power gains are possible with a serpentine conversion, but to be straight up... i'm just hoping i'll never have to fiddle with the v-belts again.
please feel free to chime in with your comments at any time.
thanks for your interest!
danny
Great idea on the belt conversion. The setup looks very similar to the accessory layout on a LS Corvette. The only issue I see with what you are doing is that the water pump pulley is often smooth so the belt can wrap around it on the driver side so you get more belt contact on the balancer. Can you get a Pontiac water pump set up for reverse rotation? You'd need that if you swap to the smooth WP pulley.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-31-2014, 09:29 PM
1968 GTO Resto-Mod's Avatar
1968 GTO Resto-Mod 1968 GTO Resto-Mod is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 184
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default serpentine conversion

Quote:
Originally Posted by rickpaw View Post
Great job on the belt set up.

The car is going to be sweet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Efi69Cam View Post
Great idea on the belt conversion. The setup looks very similar to the accessory layout on a LS Corvette. The only issue I see with what you are doing is that the water pump pulley is often smooth so the belt can wrap around it on the driver side so you get more belt contact on the balancer. Can you get a Pontiac water pump set up for reverse rotation? You'd need that if you swap to the smooth WP pulley.
thanks for sharing your comments guys!
i really appreciate your interest in this project!

the flowkooler high flow water pump #1622 was the best choice for matching up with the mounting pattern on my old school pontiac timing cover.
the impeller in this pump is described as being bi-directional.
however, the backing plate arrangement controls the direction of coolant flow through the housing and this was originally designed for a clockwise rotating pulley.
could problems with coolant flow be encountered by reversing the pulley rotation? i don't know...
my impression is that it would be best to maintain the original direction of rotation at the water pump.
yes, to make this serpentine conversion work i must find a way to get enough wrap on all the pullies.
any other thoughts out there?
thanks for your input!
danny
Attached Images
  

Last edited by 1968 GTO Resto-Mod; 04-02-2014 at 03:30 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-31-2014, 09:55 PM
1968 GTO Resto-Mod's Avatar
1968 GTO Resto-Mod 1968 GTO Resto-Mod is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 184
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default transmission

this is the muncie 4 speed transmission from my mother's black goat.
it was rebuilt by Young's Gear and Drivelines of Fairbanks.
the shifter is in south carolina right now being refurbished by Hurst.
this is really just mock up stage: i haven't yet installed the flywheel, clutch or pressure plate.
the hydraulic throw out bearing and clutch master cylinder upgrade kit from Mcleod Racing should be here this week.
always moving forward...
thanks for your interest!
danny
Attached Images
    
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-31-2014, 10:07 PM
1968 GTO Resto-Mod's Avatar
1968 GTO Resto-Mod 1968 GTO Resto-Mod is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 184
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default clearance

the doug thorley headers extend about 1.5" below the oil pan.
i do not intend to hug the ground too close with this car.
the lowering springs i installed in the front suspension came with a pair of SPC spacers for each side which can be placed under the spring seat to adjust the height of the front suspension.
they are not installed at this time, but they're on-hand if i need to bring the ride up a little bit in the front.
the alignment of the header collector outlets with the transmission crossmember looks promising.
thanks for checking in on my progress!
please feel free to share a comment if you have one!
thanks,
danny
Attached Images
    

Last edited by 1968 GTO Resto-Mod; 04-01-2014 at 02:19 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-02-2014, 05:26 PM
1968 GTO Resto-Mod's Avatar
1968 GTO Resto-Mod 1968 GTO Resto-Mod is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 184
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default moving forward

it's time for another big step!

Mcleod:
hydraulic release bearing and clutch master cylinder upgrade kit

Butler:
MSD pro billet ignition kit

RobbMC:
1/2" fuel pickup and sending unit
pontiac mechanical fuel pump w/ 1/4" vapor return option
pontiac gen II mini starter

Hydratech:
hydraulic brake assist unit
cpp master cylinder

Ron Davis:
dual electric fan radiator
master grounding kit

Flowmaster:
2.5" american thunder exhaust
40 series mufflers

thanks so much for your interest in this project!
danny
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-02-2014, 06:06 PM
mild2wild mild2wild is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Eden, WI
Posts: 101
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1968 GTO Resto-Mod View Post
it's time for another big step!

Mcleod:
hydraulic release bearing and clutch master cylinder upgrade kit

Butler:
MSD pro billet ignition kit

RobbMC:
1/2" fuel pickup and sending unit
pontiac mechanical fuel pump w/ 1/4" vapor return option
pontiac gen II mini starter

Hydratech:
hydraulic brake assist unit
cpp master cylinder

Ron Davis:
dual electric fan radiator
master grounding kit

Flowmaster:
2.5" american thunder exhaust
40 series mufflers

thanks so much for your interest in this project!
danny
Awesome project with great updates. Don't know what your engine build entailed, but if you running HP near 450+, I'd also look into running RobbMc's mechanical fuel pump as well. I use his products on all my Buick GS builds. Great products.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Lateral-g.net