Budget '69 Camaro Track Car - NO WHINERS!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Damn True

Just tell the Thubderhill grill that you want to put it on Weld's tab.

I should have the American Express Platinum cards for everyone by then.

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I should have the American Express Platinum cards for everyone by then.

^ great comeback Greg hahahaa...

Might as well buy everyone new racecars while you're at it

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal

^ great comback Greg hahahaa...

Might as well buy everyone new racecars while you're at it

Charley hasn't said "I need to".

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by Sieg

Taa Dah! Go Vince!

All this hoopla and we neglected to address the brakes?

We thought we could get a few more from them.

Im looking at a C6 caliper and Z51 rotor kit for him over his current C4 based brakes. The difference in the pad and rotor size alone should be a great help.

A few years ago I made an adapter bracket and just have to get it laser cut. His existing hub should do...we may look to Tobin at Kore3.com for a billet hub and 1/2" studs. Its such a nice easy upgrade.

Then I'll make a rotor cooling deflectors. I haven't found a reliabe way to run cooling ducts and survive anything larger than 255's. Blowing $185 each time I try isn't helping me at all.

[GregWeld]

Run the ducts via the frame horns -- in the front / out the sides to the rotors...



Didn't you see the thread on Steilows car? Was clever as hell!!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

On a straight through design yes but a large feat on a 1st gen frame. I have seen it done before on 2nd gen frames.

We have done the cooling deflectors before and it works well and fairly quick and inexpensive to build.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

We thought we could get a few more from them.

Im looking at a C6 caliper and Z51 rotor kit for him over his current C4 based brakes. The difference in the pad and rotor size alone should be a great help.

A few years ago I made an adapter bracket and just have to get it laser cut. His existing hub should do...we may look to Tobin at Kore3.com for a billet hub and 1/2" studs. Its such a nice easy upgrade.

Then I'll make a rotor cooling deflectors. I haven't found a reliabe way to run cooling ducts and survive anything larger than 255's. Blowing $185 each time I try isn't helping me at all.

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Run the ducts via the frame horns -- in the front / out the sides to the rotors...

Didn't you see the thread on Steilows car? Was clever as hell!!

I'd definitely call Tobin at Kore3. I was just up there last week inspecting his new shop. He's a great guy and an engineer by trade.....so he understands friction and pressure. He may also be able to assist with your bracket design/build. He's also very practical, so you'll to get what you need vs the newest latest and greatest.

Utilizing the frame horns for brake ducts is such a KISS move, when I saw that on Mark's new build I was............

[GregWeld]

Vince ---


I sent a copy of a spread sheet that Ron Sutton Race Technologies worked out on my Mustang - we have the exact same brake system... Baer 2 piston front with an 12" rotor - and C4 single piston 12" rotor rear...

The brake torque using the Hawk DTC70 pads front and rear is 2515 torque

Keeping the exact same brakes but running the less CoF pad - Wilwood "A" pad in front and Wilwood "B" pad rear -- gives me 3074 torque

It might seem bassakwards -- but by going to a smaller front rotor - the Baer 4 piston with an 11" rotor and running the Hawk DTC 70 pad brings the torque to 2957

So as you can see -- by just changing the pads I can get more torque out of the same system.

That is not to say some major brake upgrades are not in the works for the old gal!!! Just saying that there are simple ways for people to upgrade their performance if they use some science over just throwing parts at stuff.

My thought is - that if he was just killin' our times then he might need way larger brakes --- but Charley is running rear DRUMS and is killin' it lap after lap while he's sipping Martini's and eating Bon-Bons.

[Track Junky]

Were going to have to save this upgrade for later. I ordered pads and rotors last night.
I did a lot of research and it appears the C4 set up really isn't that bad especially if your running a lighter car. It appears that they were prone to spreading and the way to tell if your caliper has spread is the the pad will wear at an angle from front to back or back to front.
There are also C4 calipers that were not prone to spreading because of the way they were cast. The C4 calipers from Baer(which are the ones I'm using) are not prone to spreading(from what I read) but if they are I will find out shortly because the pads I was using had such a strong bite I can hear and feel the rotors screaming for mercy not to mention the heat checking in them that I had never noticed before.
As far as rotors go I had talked to a guy at the NASA event that told me that he had gone to a Stop Tech rotor that had been treated through a heat and cold process among other treatments(don't remember the exact details) and that these rotors withstood major abuse with no heat checking and for my car through tire rack were only $127 a pop. That is a great price. Not sure how many of you have shopped race rotors but I have seen them from $650 and up.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

A pad and rotor change would be the easiest route.

You are thinking of the cryo treatment.