What would a USCA pro-touring class look like??

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift

I don't think a meaningful discussion can be had about classing without clearly presenting the problem that one may be trying to solve with classing.

I believe simplest is best. I also believe the fastest driver will win 95% of the time.

What we're looking to discuss is how to set up rules for a pro-touring class. There are huge advantages to run late model vehicles in this event if there's only one class. I'd like to see the older muscle cars we love and build be able to compete with each other. If your only goal is to win it all then you'll want to build a late model Vette, F-body, etc.

Yes a great driver in an older car can win, several have done that. But now that there's great drivers in all the cars the older stuff is much less competitive simply by the reasons I mentioned earlier. By the way, I am not against the later model cars competing. It was great seeing Danny and the others hauling butt on the track. I'm just afraid we'll lose the muscle car guys if they feel there's no way to openly compete.

[dontlifttoshift]

Originally Posted by SSLance

I don't disagree...but the Vette is a two seater. Let the two seaters run with the two seaters.

Define what a rear seat is. My Mustang won't have a rear seat. I don't think Marks car has a rear seat, so now they are 2 seaters.

Originally Posted by camcojb

What we're looking to discuss is how to set up rules for a pro-touring class. There are huge advantages to run late model vehicles in this event if there's only one class.

Define late model. When is an old car not an old car anymore? It is entirely feasible to stretch a 69 Camaro over a C7 Z06, where does that run then? or you could just swap in the ABS and carbon brakes.......

I'd like to see the older muscle cars we love and build be able to compete with each other.

Me too, there should be a series for that.

The USC in OUSCI stands for Ultimate Street Car as it always has, and the O stands for Optima, not Old. The design points used to carry the older cars alot more than they used too, but even back then Danny still won in a late Corvette. Remember when average times and outstanding paint/interior could put you near the top of the overall standings. Where would Penny have finished this past weekend?

Don't get me wrong, late models are awesome parts cars and much more financially feasible, the easy button. Be honest, 40K gets you a stock, solid 69 Camaro shell and a stack of DSE parts or a C5 Z06 with coilovers, bigger wheels and tires and aero......not hard to figure out which car is faster per dollar.

So maybe the answer is not another class, but a little more weight for the custom things. Maybe more than few points should separate the guys who bolts (or pays to bolt) stuff on a latemodel vs. the guy who bleeds (or pays someone to bleed) on his car to bring the technology 30 or 40 years into the present. Pro Touring guy has to do a lot to bring his car up to par with just a stock late model, that should count for something, right?

More classes is not the answer, it never is. A slight restructure could fix 90% of the issue here. Previous ramblings aside, if you are going to run 3 classes all year, AWD, GT2, and GT3, then it really does make sense to do the same for the finale.