Another DSE frame woe......

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by Jr

Vince,

What is your opinion of the dirty dingo mounts? Would you use them on a personal project?

Not on a personal project. I like components that are compact and blend in when possible. Which is why I like the Wegner drives. You can do subtle or in your face bling with a simple finish change.

To me the components of the dd stuff is too industrial looking.

[bret]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

Yeah, but it's the weekend. Although I have called them in the past, I'm convinced the folks answering their phones only know what is on a computer screen. They have made it painful to get previous answers and I know other customers are here.

I have no dog in this fight...except that next time it could be us.

DSE [or SpeedTech...or TCI...or RideTech...or Morrison...or Roadster Shop...or [insert about any suspension manufacturer here] is made up of hotrodders who work hard to get you accurate information.

Yes, sometimes the communication process can be troublesome. No, there is no way for ANY of us to validate fitment of every possible combination of components.

I would put my money on DSE [and most other manufacturers] being able to tell you what DOES fit...but not what specifically does NOT fit. At any rate, information coming directly from the manufacturer is more credible than from the general public. The manufacturer has a vested interest in dispensing accurate information [their reputation]. The general public...maybe not as much.

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by bret

I have no dog in this fight...except that next time it could be us.

DSE [or SpeedTech...or TCI...or RideTech...or Morrison...or Roadster Shop...or [insert about any suspension manufacturer here] is made up of hotrodders who work hard to get you accurate information.

Yes, sometimes the communication process can be troublesome. No, there is no way for ANY of us to validate fitment of every possible combination of components.

I would put my money on DSE [and most other manufacturers] being able to tell you what DOES fit...but not what specifically does NOT fit. At any rate, information coming directly from the manufacturer is more credible than from the general public. The manufacturer has a vested interest in dispensing accurate information [their reputation]. The general public...maybe not as much.

Bret,

I tried to send you an email or PM, but no option. I totally agree with what you're saying, but I didn't quite get that from them on a few occasions. Not to throw spears or anything because that's not the intent here, but just the first hand knowledge wasn't there. I realize the guys answering the phones are typically not the guys turning the wrenches. I just know there are quite a few builders that frequent this site. Guys like Vince and Rodger Lee have been awesome in this aspect. I truly rely on their experience and others over a sales staff. Trust me, if it was really just as easy to call DSE and get what I needed, I wouldn't have posted. Not to mention this post was on Sat, I truly wanted to get the project moving so I was looking for a weekend answer to make a purchase. Being on the West coast, calling an East coast company can be challenging as well. This site is kind of a "set it, and forget it" meaning I can come back at any hour and see previous post.

[Smittys67]

"My f-body accesories don't clear the frame,specifically the alternator. Can someone confirm that the corvette set-up will work on my 1970 camaro with this frame? "

Step 1 Did you look at the diagram from GM with all the measurement's?

Step 2 Did you measure?

Is this there problem no!

"Then call the guys you bought the subframe from. I'm sure they have installed a bunch of them and can help you out."

Well I am willing to beat the cheapest place we could buy it from doesn't have a toolbox, Tools, Techs, Work bays or a shop so...... How cheap is that price now that you have extra parts.

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by Smittys67

"My f-body accesories don't clear the frame,specifically the alternator. Can someone confirm that the corvette set-up will work on my 1970 camaro with this frame? "

Step 1 Did you look at the diagram from GM with all the measurement's?

Step 2 Did you measure?

Is this there problem no!

"Then call the guys you bought the subframe from. I'm sure they have installed a bunch of them and can help you out."

Well I am willing to beat the cheapest place we could buy it from doesn't have a toolbox, Tools, Techs, Work bays or a shop so...... How cheap is that price now that you have extra parts.

Um....Huh?

I had a complete LS engine and set-up in car before I bought the sub-frame. My intention was to just swap it all over. Well... accessories don't fit, so need to change that. Where are the extra parts coming from? I didn't just buy F-body accessories specifically for this project, I already had it. Are you saying the DSE frame you sell has room for F-body accessories

[dontlifttoshift]

No, what Smitty is saying is that the DSE subframe he sells comes with a little bit of knowledge. That little bit of knowledge could have been used to inform you, pre purchase, that your existing accessories will not work as they are. That little bit of knowledge would have informed you about trans crossmembers, steering linkage, motor mount stands and everything else that goes with it. That little bit of knowledge is how a good dealer earns their cut of the sale. That dealer may not sit in front of the computer and send you tracking numbers but they are out in the shop gaining valuable experience that will outweigh the cheapest price, fastest shipping, or most emails sent to keep you updated on your transaction.

I would explain to you about how this is hot rodding, not color by number, but Greg covered that already in this thread or one of your other improperly titled threads, and you don't seem to get it. I could tell you again, that these cars are full of surprises and compromises and the only things that make it easier are patience and experience. One of those things you are born with, the other is included with purchase.

What I really would like you to know is this. All of the automotive forums that I am a member of work just like a little community for whatever niche they are in. There is information for nearly all scenarios if you are willing to look for it and if it is previously uncovered, someone who has been there will help you out. When a user becomes a serial asker and complainer and rarely, if ever, posts anything positive or useful, other users become reluctant to help. That's human nature. Negativity breeds negativity.

When I see a thread titled "DSE frame woes" I expect a bent, broken, something. Dragging a companies name through the mud because of poor planning is just wrong. I expect to see that from the mouth breathers on the mark specific forums but we are better than that as a community.

[camcojb]

This has run it's course.