JCG Restoration & Customs 70 Challenger 2nd Test Car!

[57hemicuda]

I'm scratching already

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift

Now this thread has herpes, nice going.

HAAAA HAAAA just don't ask him how his knee surgery went.

Speaking of surgery someone needs a corncobendictome.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by DavidBoren

Why is it stupid? I don't understand that. It wasn't an all original car! Hell, none of them are these days, if you want to get technical... which all you purists seem to be all about being as technical as possible. Did you ever change a spark plug, a bulb, a filter, the air in tires or the oil in the engine? Then it's not original any more... get over it!

This all-so-precious, cream of the crop, 6-pack car didn't live up to its owner's expectations as it was... end of story. It wasn't F'ing good enough as it was in its close to original state.

What was he supposed to do, huh? Sell the Challenger he already had in his possession, buy a different Challenger, in worse condition, that will take longer and cost more to build, just to not piss in some Mopar fanatic's cheerios? Get real. Buy a nice car, in good condition, so it can be built how you want it quicker, and drive the piss out of it. He bought the car to drive, not collect, and it wasn't going to drive how he wants to drive it in its Mopar V-code Hemi 6-pack version, so he changed it. It's his car to change. Why does anyone think that they have the right to judge him or anyone else?

If hobbyists and gear heads didn't tinker, swap, and change what the factory put out, then we wouldn't have had any of these muscle cars. Changing what the factory makes is what we do. And it makes the industry better. If the V-code, Hemi 6-pack was never changed by shadetree mechanics, then Dodge never would have evolved to the point of making the Hellcat, because everyone was satisfied with the V-code. Change needs to happen. Welcome to evolution and progress.

Until you know the players around here -- you should maybe just read.... Many of us are long time friends and understand when someone is giving someone else a load of crap.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Until you know the players around here -- you should maybe just read.... Many of us are long time friends and understand when someone is giving someone else a load of crap.

especially with that guy.....preacher meet choir

but i WAS serious......don't ask him about his knee surgery.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by DavidBoren

Hellcat under the hood? No, mister, no...

Why replace a 700hp naturally aspirated engine with a 700hp blower motor? Oh, and why replace a motor that interchanges with the other cars to one that doesn't? And why put a Mopar engine in it at all? Then it wouldn't irritate all the Mopar snobs, and that's one of the best parts of this build... right up there with the awesome fabrication, amazing test pilot cast, and the obvious craftsmanship behind the parts/assembly of a car that can be beat on at the track.

Great car, read the whole build, love it. I wouldn't think twice cutting up an all original anything, give me Carroll Shelby's very own winningest ever AC Cobra, and I will chop it up and stick a GM 'vette suspension in it with a import 2jz engine, just to piss everyone off.

Purists and traditionalists piss me off. If the all original car was worth keeping original, maybe it could have done what the customer wanted without needing to go to a custom shop for a custom build. If the 440+6 was so damn awesome, it wouldn't have needed replaced with an LS motor to achieve what the customer wanted. Same with all the original suspension. Ever think that the customer bought the all original 440+6 because it was a badass car, and then exceeded the abilities of that design and wanted more? Who are any of you to question what someone else wants to spend their money on or do with their own property? Buying something all original just means you have more to change, factory cars aren't built to perform at the level we want them to. Original equipment does us absolutely no good, none. Especially 1970 original equipment.

Tear it out, cut it up, stuff whatever works in, beat the hell out of it, drive it, enjoy it. Leave tradition in the museum.

Give you an inside tip --- at the top right of the posters "box" when they respond, there's a Joined/been a member since, date.... '57Hemicudas is 2005... Mine is 2005... Vince is 2004.

Some of us have been to members weddings... stayed at their houses... have taken cross country road trips together... flown to other states to go to races together... been to SEMA and our Lat G parties for years... helped each other build cars... raced against each other... etc. You've been a member since 2014... that's about 10 years SHORT of what some of us have been around here. Try not to read/react with what YOU think someone should have said. Many of us on here can't hardly have a polite conversation without slipping in our own sarcasm or dig or whatever. Pay a little more attention to the members start date and think to yourself -- Hmmmmmmm maybe they actually know each other after being on here for years and years.

[intocarss]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Give you an inside tip --- at the top right of the posters "box" when they respond, there's a Joined/been a member since, date.... '57Hemicudas is 2005... Mine is 2005... Vince is 2004.

Some of us have been to members weddings... stayed at their houses... have taken cross country road trips together... flown to other states to go to races together... been to SEMA and our Lat G parties for years... helped each other build cars... raced against each other... etc. You've been a member since 2014... that's about 10 years SHORT of what some of us have been around here. Try not to read/react with what YOU think someone should have said. Many of us on here can't hardly have a polite conversation without slipping in our own sarcasm or dig or whatever. Pay a little more attention to the members start date and think to yourself -- Hmmmmmmm maybe they actually know each other after being on here for years and years.

That made me feel all warm and fuzzy

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by intocarss

That made me feel all warm and fuzzy

Speaking of racing together..... Hmmmmmmm

[GRob]

Originally Posted by DavidBoren

Hellcat under the hood? No, mister, no...

Why replace a 700hp naturally aspirated engine with a 700hp blower motor?

Well the comment was partly in jest. The real purpose of the post was to figure out what wheel diameters the car is running, but since you asked . . .

The car doesn't have a 700hp engine in it at all. It has a crate GM 525 which arguably may or may not produce 525hp. There's some discussion about that on some other boards. The reason it has that motor is because they blew the original.

The Hellcat makes well over 707hp at the crank, and does so with incredible reliability, something that can't necessarily be said of a 700hp ls7. The Hellcat comes with a full factory warranty and you won't find any warranty on a 700hp ls7 so that should tell you something right there about reliability. This also assumes you can cool the motor and the intercooler properly so it doesn't heat soak at the track - not a trivial task.

Also in terms of power and torque, it's all about area under the curve, something which an sc motor excels at. So quite frankly, the hellcat would be a very good choice for a car like this.

But like I said my comment was mostly in jest as there is no hellcat crate motor currently, and given the fact they can't build them fast enough to put into Challengers and Chargers, it'll be quite a while until there is one.

[Rick D]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Give you an inside tip --- at the top right of the posters "box" when they respond, there's a Joined/been a member since, date.... '57Hemicudas is 2005... Mine is 2005... Vince is 2004.

Some of us have been to members weddings... stayed at their houses... have taken cross country road trips together... flown to other states to go to races together... been to SEMA and our Lat G parties for years... helped each other build cars... raced against each other... etc. You've been a member since 2014... that's about 10 years SHORT of what some of us have been around here. Try not to read/react with what YOU think someone should have said. Many of us on here can't hardly have a polite conversation without slipping in our own sarcasm or dig or whatever. Pay a little more attention to the members start date and think to yourself -- Hmmmmmmm maybe they actually know each other after being on here for years and years.

Wow Greg now I feel like an old man for being on here so long! And yes warm and fuzzy 😎😎

[intocarss]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Speaking of racing together..... Hmmmmmmm

Just waiting on BMF to get done... Then it's GAME ON