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Old 02-10-2016, 06:07 PM
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It is funny that you chose to compare to the NRA because that is the way this whole thing reads to me.

"The NRA says the Gubmint is comin to take our guns"

"The SEMA says the gubmint is comin to take our racecars"

SEMA does a lot of great things, but fear mongering isn't one of them.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:25 PM
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It is funny that you chose to compare to the NRA because that is the way this whole thing reads to me.

"The NRA says the Gubmint is comin to take our guns"

"The SEMA says the gubmint is comin to take our racecars"

SEMA does a lot of great things, but fear mongering isn't one of them.
You completely missed the point. The NRA is effective in it's lobbying effort due to the large numbers of it's membership. The same principal applies to SAN. Numbers matter, JOIN SAN!
http://semasan.com/page.asp?content=startpage&g=semaga
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:35 PM
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I read a number of import tuner magazines, and I would not be surprised if this "clarification" is in response to the 1600whp GT-Rs, and 900whp Evolutions that are featured in these magazines. A lot of these are presented as street driven and many have plates displayed for all to see. Here in CA, there is an exemption from the annual smog test for the first seven years after a new car is sold. These cars generally fall into that exemption period, and anybody with a brain knows that there is no way these cars are emission compliant, especially the EPA and CARB! The only thing that amazes me about all this is that it took them so long to start cracking down! These "street" cars are obviously flaunting the rules, and they are very "in your face" about it. If we in the hobby aren't careful, we may lose the ability to modify our cars at all.
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Old 02-12-2016, 06:43 AM
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I read a number of import tuner magazines, and I would not be surprised if this "clarification" is in response to the 1600whp GT-Rs, and 900whp Evolutions that are featured in these magazines. A lot of these are presented as street driven and many have plates displayed for all to see. Here in CA, there is an exemption from the annual smog test for the first seven years after a new car is sold. These cars generally fall into that exemption period, and anybody with a brain knows that there is no way these cars are emission compliant, especially the EPA and CARB! The only thing that amazes me about all this is that it took them so long to start cracking down! These "street" cars are obviously flaunting the rules, and they are very "in your face" about it. If we in the hobby aren't careful, we may lose the ability to modify our cars at all.
Those are a very very small minority even in the GTR world though. Seems like a lot of wasted political effort for a very small perceived gain. Then again anything California related seems to mirror that same mindset.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:21 AM
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SEMA has made an official clarification, I got it today in my SEMA news email. Sounds like they see this as a serious threat to our industry and they feel the EPA is out of bounds in what they're doing. I don't think this should be taken likely in any way at all.

Although this is targeting race only cars, it absolutely translates to targeting street cars too. If at the very least the EPA shuts down production of performance parts for emissions equipped cars rather than chasing down offenders at races, this will not only require a race car to be stock engine configurations, it will cease us putting a GT40 intake on a Fox Body Mustang, or a dual exhaust kit sans cats on your 75 Camaro, or headers on your 69 Camaro if it came with an air pump, despite the fact that it's a street driver and not a dedicated race car.

Again I propose this is a foot in the door to pose more regulation in the future. How boring will it be to see a stock 180 hp G body running down the drag strip. Mine ran 17.9's stock, that's >cough< cool. Not! If we as enthusiasts put a leash on it and oppose this regulation now it makes it that much easier to negotiate in the future. If we take it lightly and let the EPA gain control, it will do just the opposite and they will regulate our hobby into boring melancholy.


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Over 135K signatures so far. Sure, it's more than the target number, but the more opposition to this, the better. If you haven't signed it, go do it. It's free, and only takes a couple of minutes.
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It is funny that you chose to compare to the NRA because that is the way this whole thing reads to me.

"The NRA says the Gubmint is comin to take our guns"

"The SEMA says the gubmint is comin to take our racecars"

SEMA does a lot of great things, but fear mongering isn't one of them.
If you think what the NRA does is fear mongering you have not been paying attention.

The Olympic shooting team in Great Britain needs to travel to France to practice. Our friends in Australia need a engineering certificate for modifications like 4 link conversions that we take for granted, on top of not being able to own most firearms. Government out of control is something we need to fear.

SEMA SAN like the NRA serves a great purpose in terms of informing citizens when their rights are in danger. Comparing the two is entirely appropriate.
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98SS- If you're referring to the article by the Drive, I disagree totally with their approach. This shouldn't be taken lightly. Any situation like the rights of the masses of human beings is put into the hands of a few it's likely it won't benefit the masses. Yes SEMA is behind in fighting this but the EPA's intention is not to shut everything down right now... Their intention is to clarify "what was said many years ago" so that they are in a position to have clear authority to regulate it at any given moment. That's easily translated to "we totally intend to regulate all this at a future date, but for now we're going to give it to you softly so it's easy to swallow. Once the poison is ingested we will then watch it shut you down." Did you know a snake can memorize a bird by staring at it as it slowly and patiently creeps up, and as the bird still has a false sense of safety, out of nowhere the snake snatches up the bird and swallows it alive. That sort of tactic takes place everywhere when a group or individual has a long term agenda to accomplish what they want.

Luckily SEMA and other folks/ groups are all over this. The petition everyone is signing is only a small yet important part. Still I would hope the whole issue would continue to gain public awareness. We all carry some of the weight and responsibility to help spread the word.

A quote from the SEMA newsletter I received today...

said SEMA President and CEO Chris Kersting- “Despite EPA’s statements that the agency does not intend to enforce the law against race car owners, the agency is, in fact, writing new law into the regulations. As a result, if this proposal is finalized, the racing community and parts makers would forevermore be operating outside of that law and could be targeted for enforcement at a future date. We don’t consider it an overreaction to try to prevent this new interpretation from becoming law.”

They say now they won't enforce it, but if it all passes they can legally at any time do so, in 10 years or even "next week". It doesn't matter to them, with this power they can shut down our hobby as we know it at any given moment.

Here's the full article from SEMA...

Again, agreed that they likely won't put pressure on us as individuals, that's too large a task to try to regulate. But what happens to the individual when they force race tracks and sanctions like SCCA to comply- forcing them to put pressure on the individual so the EPA doesn't have to deal with it on that level- everyone else will do the EPA's job for them. Realistically there's no way this will be constrained to only full race cars. To avoid fines and such, race tracks will want to cover their butts, and to remove all gray area I foresee that they will at some point have to turn away street cars that aren't compliant too. Emissions equipment has been removed from cars since the late 1960s so this isn't just for late model computer controlled cars. This will affect near EVERYONE in the hobby in some way.

Sign the petition, write your governor, write the president, write the EPA, organize a group of picketers at your next local race and take photos to share on social media and get the news media involved to come down and put it on the 6:00 news. There's lots we can do outside of just signing the petition. All we need to do is help the public become aware of the situation. Nobody, including the EPA wants negative publicity and opposition (open adult like opposition, not riots and plundering ) and as far as I recall we live in a country that supports "We the people..." rather than "we the government agency decide what you can and can't do for a hobby". If we make enough stink they will be forced to comply with our desires.
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