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[WSSix]

Or, do like I did when I couldn't decide which industry giant to choose from and buy both. That's why I own both T and VZ. They both are doing well for me. I'm probably going to buy Nike and UnderArmor soon, too, because yet again, I can't decide which one to choose.

[captainofiron]

Originally Posted by WSSix

Or, do like I did when I couldn't decide which industry giant to choose from and buy both. That's why I own both T and VZ. They both are doing well for me. I'm probably going to buy Nike and UnderArmor soon, too, because yet again, I can't decide which one to choose.

Thats not a bad idea.

speaking of Nike and Underarmor, I am really really REALLY kicking myself for not investing in Adidas at the end of 2014.

it was in the mid 30s and is now sitting at mid 70s

I ended up buying KO instead...

oh well, I keep telling myself its long term, Im not trading WOOSAH

[GregWeld]

It will be interesting to have you all be "on board" here long enough -- that you will be witnessing "MATERIAL CHANGE" to McDonalds (MCD) with yet another U.S. CEO change at year end.


MCD was horrible -- they did a corporate CEO change and BAM! The stock, sales, etc went up and all was good...

The U.S. CEO is retiring and we'll have to see what happens on his watch.

My take?? I never like to stand in a tunnel when I see a headlight... I prefer to step aside - watch whatever - and then re-asses. Particularly if I have a nice gain in the name. Nobody ever goes broke taking a profit..... is my theory there. It's had a nice run.... so does the new guy make it run even more? Who knows? And that's why I prefer to stand aside.

[So Cal Camaro]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

It will be interesting to have you all be "on board" here long enough -- that you will be witnessing "MATERIAL CHANGE" to McDonalds (MCD) with yet another U.S. CEO change at year end.


MCD was horrible -- they did a corporate CEO change and BAM! The stock, sales, etc went up and all was good...

The U.S. CEO is retiring and we'll have to see what happens on his watch.

My take?? I never like to stand in a tunnel when I see a headlight... I prefer to step aside - watch whatever - and then re-asses. Particularly if I have a nice gain in the name. Nobody ever goes broke taking a profit..... is my theory there. It's had a nice run.... so does the new guy make it run even more? Who knows? And that's why I prefer to stand aside.

Interesting, when you take profits its noble, to step aside and wait to see what happens, but when I propose essentially the same thing you are stating here, I'm trying to time the market...please explain?

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by So Cal Camaro

Interesting, when you take profits its noble, to step aside and wait to see what happens, but when I propose essentially the same thing you are stating here, I'm trying to time the market...please explain?

Huge difference between Timing the market and FUNDAMENTAL or MATERIAL CHANGE.

Change being the difference.

Trying to TIME the market is sitting on the sidelines - or being invested - and then just trying to wait for the price to dip a buck -- or for it to go up and buck etc....

What happens when you're trying to time the market is you'll miss a move or moves trying to be "cute" with what will amount to very small potatoes. Bending over to pick up a dime.

Now -- Let's take MCD --- back before they made a HUGE FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE with the CEO (corporate) the stock was under $100 and maybe even was flirting with low $90's.... now -- it's had a sweet run UP to $131 and now it's pulling back to the low $115's. So if you've held over a year and one day - there's a 20% long term capital gains tax to be paid... but a very nice gain too!

Now -- My writings here have always been about WHAT TO THINK ABOUT --- not what to do. That's up to people to decide on their own.

Remember what I was really talking about was to beware and aware of FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES in your holdings -- sometimes that is a good thing and sometimes you get eaten alive.

This is more about HEADS UP!! THINK ABOUT IT! BE AWARE!

If you have 5 or 10 shares in your IRA/401K -- then you don't do anything because this is a good long term name you shouldn't worry about TOO MUCH.... but the fast food game has been in some disarray in the last few years so it's not the buy and hold forever game it used to be. Coke has some serious competition with new style drinks - Fast food has it's challenges...

[ErikLS2]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

- Fast food has it's challenges...

I hadn't seen the CEO was retiring. I thought about buying some when it was down but didn't think any CEO could get them past the declining interest in unhealthy fast food, but he did. All day breakfast probably had a lot to do with it, which I can't understand at all. Chance of that happening a second time though?? Prolly not.

[Sieg]

I came across a dated article that I felt was good food for thought read in this thread. GW if you don't approve I'll bleach it.

It's New! It's Nifty! It's The Dividend Growth 50!
Dec. 17, 2014 9:19 PM ET|1031 comments | Includes: AAPL, ADP, AFL, BAX, BDX, CAT, CL, CLX, COP, CVX, D, DE, EMR, GE, GIS, GPC, HCP, HSY, IBM, JNJ, KHC, KMB, KMI, KO, LMT, MCD, MKC, MMM, MO, MSFT, NEE, O, OHI, PEP, PG, PM, QCOM, SBUX, SJM, SO, SPY, T, TGT, UTX, V, VDIGX, VIG, VOO, VZ, WBA, WEC, WFC, WMT, XOM
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Summary

The erstwhile New Nifty Fifty has a new name that is more meaningful and accurate.

A $25K, real-money, equal-weight DG50 portfolio has been established and will be tracked over time.

The plan is to reinvest all dividends, but otherwise do no buying or selling, so the overall portfolio's progress can be charted accurately.

First things first: I am no longer calling this collection of carefully selected Dividend Growth companies the "New Nifty Fifty." The more I thought about that name, the less I liked it. For one thing, I borrowed the moniker from a long-ago list that means little today. Mostly, though, the name told us little about this current group of quality income growers.

So, ladies and gentlemen, I present the Dividend Growth 50.

And along with the new name, I am introducing an exciting new project: a real portfolio with 50 real positions bought in real-time with real money.

Where It All Began

Before we get to the portfolio's particulars, let's quickly revisit the genesis of the DG50.

Back in September, I wrote an article about the original Nifty Fifty of the 1970s. Its thesis was that as flawed as the group of companies was, buy-and-hold investors would have become multi-millionaires. While dealing with the nearly 700 comments the article received, I grew intrigued by the idea of establishing a more modern version. And since I am a proponent of Dividend Growth Investing, I wanted a list with a DGI focus.

I didn't want the list to be purely my opinion, so I sought inputs from 10 respected Seeking Alpha voices: Chowder, David Crosetti, David Fish, Eli Inkrot, Eric Landis, Tim McAleenan, Miz Magic DiviDogs, Scott U, David Van Knapp and Bob Wells. Each provided his/her list of 50 companies, and once the votes were tallied, a consensus was formed.

The New Nifty Fifty debuted in an Oct. 15 article, which turned out to be the most popular piece I've written for this site. I followed with Part 2, featuring each panelist's top 10 picks. In Part 3, I revealed my own choices. The series has drawn more than 83,000 page views and 1,300 comments, and it has been the centerpiece of numerous other Seeking Alpha studies.

Debates Aplenty

Most recently, Chuck Carnevale and Minutemen used extensive back-testing in comparing the New Nifty Fifty to the Vanguard Dividend Growth Fund Inv (MUTF:VDIGX), which fellow Seeking Alpha contributor Dale Roberts repeatedly claimed to be superior. The historic performance of the "Nifties" also has been compared to that of the S&P 500 (NYSEARCA:SPY). There have been many comment stream discussions, some rather heated, about the merits of DGI vs. indexing and individual stocks vs. funds.

Back-testing can be useful because history often provides clues about the future. For instance, a high-quality, deep-moat company that has been raising dividends for decades is likely - not guaranteed, but likely - to continue increasing dividends while flourishing as a business.

Still, only by "forward-testing" can we make true judgments and avoid charges of survivorship bias.

Which brings us to the Dividend Growth 50, and the roughly $25,000 I have invested in it:

COMPANY SYMBOL SH PRICE VALUE DIV. YLD. INC.
3M (NYSE:MMM)
3 161.27 483.81 4.01 2.5 12.03
AFLAC (NYSE:AFL)
8 58.34 466.72 1.56 2.7 12.48
Altria (NYSE:MO)
10 50.28 502.80 2.08 4.1 20.80
Apple(NASDAQ:AAPL)
5 109.28 546.40 1.88 1.7 9.40
AT&T (NYSE:T)
15 32.60 489.00 1.84 5.6 27.60
Automatic Data Processing (NASDAQ:ADP)
6 83.25 499.50 1.96 2.4 11.76
Baxter International (NYSE:BAX)
7 71.73 502.11 2.08 2.9 14.56
Becton, Dickinson (NYSE:BDX)
4 135.42 541.68 2.40 1.8 9.60
Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT)
5 90.60 453.00 2.80 3.1 14.00
Chevron (NYSE:CVX)
5 103.23 516.15 4.28 4.1 21.40
Clorox (NYSE:CLX)
5 99.93 499.65 2.96 3.0 14.80
Coca-Cola (NYSE:KO)
12 40.98 491.76 1.22 3.0 14.64
Colgate-Palmolive (NYSE:CL)
7 68.30 478.10 1.44 2.1 10.08
ConocoPhillips (NYSE:COP)
8 64.47 515.76 2.92 4.5 23.36
Deere (NYSE-DE)
6 89.61 537.66 2.40 2.7 14.40
Dominion Resources (NYSE-D)
7 72.38 506.66 2.40 3.3 16.80
Emerson Electric (NYSE:EMR)
8 60.37 482.96 1.88 3.1 15.04
ExxonMobil (NYSE:XOM)
6 88.88 533.28 2.76 3.1 16.56
General Electric (NYSE:GE)
20 25.05 501.00 0.92 3.7 18.40
General Mills (NYSE:GIS)
10 52.00 520.00 1.64 3.2 16.40
Genuine Parts (NYSE:GPC)
5 103.49 517.45 2.30 2.2 11.50
HCP (NYSE:HCP)
11 44.93 494.23 2.18 4.9 23.98
Hershey (NYSE:HSY)
5 98.86 494.30 2.14 2.2 10.70
IBM (NYSE:IBM)
3 153.59 460.77 4.40 2.9 13.20
J.M. Smucker (NYSE:SJM)
5 99.59 497.95 2.56 2.6 12.80
Johnson & Johnson (NYSE:JNJ)
5 104.48 522.40 2.80 2.7 14.00
Kimberly-Clark (NYSE:KMB)
4 113.77 455.08 3.36 3.0 13.44
Kinder Morgan (NYSE:KMI)
13 38.87 505.31 1.76 4.5 22.88
Kraft Foods (KRFT)
8 59.94 479.52 2.20 3.7 17.60
Lockheed Martin (NYSE:LMT)
3 186.59 559.77 6.00 3.2 18.00
McCormick (NYSE:MKC)
7 73.18 512.26 1.60 2.2 11.20
McDonald's (NYSE:MCD)
5 90.15 450.75 3.40 3.8 17.00
Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT)
11 46.06 506.66 1.24 2.7 13.64
NextEra Energy (NYSE:NEE)
5 102.36 511.80 2.90 2.8 14.50
Omega Healthcare (NYSE:OHI)
13 38.30 497.90 2.08 5.4 27.04
PepsiCo (NYSE-PEP)
5 94.79 473.95 2.62 2.8 13.10
Philip Morris (NYSE-PM)
6 82.68 496.08 4.00 4.8 24.00
Procter & Gamble (NYSE-PG)
6 90.41 542.46 2.57 2.8 15.42
Qualcomm (NASDAQ:QCOM)
7 71.11 497.77 1.68 2.4 11.76
Realty Income (NYSE:O)
11 46.50 511.50 2.20 4.7 24.20
Southern Company (NYSE:SO)
10 48.22 482.20 2.10 4.4 21.00
Starbucks (NASDAQ:SBUX)
6 81.04 486.24 1.28 1.6 7.68
Target (NYSE:TGT)
7 73.07 511.49 2.08 2.8 14.56
United Technologies Corp. (NYSE:UTX)
4 114.56 458.24 2.36 2.1 9.44
Verizon (NYSE:VZ)
11 46.39 510.29 2.20 4.7 24.20
Visa (NYSE:V)
2 257.83 515.66 1.92 0.7 3.84
Walgreen (WAG)
7 73.40 513.80 1.35 1.8 9.45
Wal-Mart (NYSE:WMT)
6 84.53 507.18 1.92 2.3 11.52
Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC)
9 53.67 483.03 1.40 2.6 12.60
Wisconsin Energy (NYSE:WEC)
10 50.59 505.90 1.69 3.3 16.90

TOTALS 25029.94 3.1 775.26


(KEY: SH is the number of shares bought; PRICE is the price paid per share; VALUE is the value of each position at time of purchase; DIV. is annual dividend in dollars; YLD. is dividend yield percentage; INC. is annual income at the current dividend rate. All data is as of purchase date: 12/16/14.)

As you see in the table, I bought about $500 worth of each DG50 company. I did not have to pay sales commissions, because I was given 50 free trades as an incentive to move the money to Fidelity. (Several major brokerages offer such inducements.)

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by WSSix

Or, do like I did when I couldn't decide which industry giant to choose from and buy both. That's why I own both T and VZ. They both are doing well for me. I'm probably going to buy Nike and UnderArmor soon, too, because yet again, I can't decide which one to choose.

THere's nothing wrong with doing that at all.... as long as you are well diversified!

I often will hold two or more of the same type company - such as T and VZ - or JNK and HYG - or F and GM... or MO and PM.