Daily driver

[Matt@BOS]

Originally Posted by wiedemab

Sorry if this de-rails the conversation, but I was dreaming a bit about a fun DD last night while I was out in the shop welding..... I came up with an early 60's Falcon with an EcoBoost 4-banger and some Mike Maier suspension goodies.... nothing too over the top - -17's wheels with reasonable sized tires, but super light.. I wondered what kind of mileage you get pull down...

I'll add it to the list of projects that I'll probably never have time to build!

I can neither confirm, nor deny that a Lat G member is going to build such a car...

[cluxford]

Isn't this the whole point of the movement....pro-touring. The ability to live comfortably on the street and get serious when needed at the autocross track.

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by wiedemab

Sorry if this de-rails the conversation, but I was dreaming a bit about a fun DD last night while I was out in the shop welding..... I came up with an early 60's Falcon with an EcoBoost 4-banger and some Mike Maier suspension goodies.... nothing too over the top - -17's wheels with reasonable sized tires, but super light.. I wondered what kind of mileage you get pull down...

I'll add it to the list of projects that I'll probably never have time to build!

Originally Posted by Matt@BOS

I can neither confirm, nor deny that a Lat G member is going to build such a car...

[SBDave]

Also very intrigued by the EcoBoost in a small early 60's Ford idea. We run an EcoTec in a lightweight offroad race car and that thing can get up and move! It's all about power to weight and gearing.

And sorry for even more of a tangent but I came across this recently:
http://dfkitcar.com/index.php

Did you get the 68?

Dave

[Ben@SpeedTech]

I agree with Rustomatic. Streetability is so subjective. I used to drive an 11 second street/strip Nova with a nasty solid cammed small block, 4500 stall and 4.56 gears and drag race shocks and springs every day. It loaded up idling occasionally in summer, didn't have a heater for winter (in south Florida), was so loud a radio was useless and cruising on the freeway at 60 was at 3500 rpms. On a good day it got 6 mpg, but I still drove it every day. That was in the early 90's. Then I got married, started a family, and that all stopped real quick. One of the coolest things about a Pro Touring car and modern technology is that you can have an engine with 100 hp more than my Nova had, get 20 mpg, and idle with the a/c on all day long.

As far as suspension goes, again modern technology says you can have your cake and eat it too. From Speedtech's point of view, little things like rotating updated front suspension engineering and geometry, "Articulink" arms and torque arm suspensions help give amazing response but a smooth, stable and comfortable ride. Decent coilovers can have heavier spring rates and aggressive track valving but when you dial down the valving you can ride home from the track like it's a Caddy.

Until I tore it apart for upgrades I drove my Pro Touring G body Cutlass daily and autocrossed it whenever I could. Even used it to tow my Nova from Georgia to Utah, covering 2500 miles in 3 days. Ran comfortable and I didn't feel beat up and sore when I got home. I say if you build it and don't drive it, you couldda saved $50,000 - $150,000 and put a poster of someone else's car in the garage instead.

[Boosted Falcon]

I agree with a lot of comments about a hot rod daily driver. I my build plan is a nice/fun driver. For me part of the fun is being able to tinker, my experience with past projects is they are never really done until sold.
Building a 64 Falcon 2dr sedan, 3.5 Ecoboost swap, TKO 600, TCI front suspension and 4 link rear. I did consider a I 4 Ecoboost but just couldn't resist the V6.
Just getting started fitting the front end and engine, I have a ways to go before I have a driver.

[rustomatic]

Thanks, Ben! Funnily enough, I've been driving a well-insulated 12-valve Cummins Dodge 4x4 around whenever I need things lately, and according to some, this is not much better than a farm tractor with remote ear plugs. This is true, being that it's a pickup with a tractor engine, but it's a combo that I find pleasing. I also like driving the Prius my wife drives to work . . .

My Falcon with a cammy 302 and a 5-speed stick pissed me off in traffic, and I didn't actually need to drive it in traffic. This is partly age talking, but hey, traffic's gotten worse over the years, and so have my tolerance and sanity. At 17, I was commuting 25 miles each way in a '68 Firebird with a cammy 400 and early Flowmasters . . .

Now, we have the lovely LS engine family and the modern suspension stuff that can get you there without a massive crop of heim joints and NVH.

Originally Posted by Ben@SpeedTech

I agree with Rustomatic. Streetability is so subjective. I used to drive an 11 second street/strip Nova with a nasty solid cammed small block, 4500 stall and 4.56 gears and drag race shocks and springs every day. It loaded up idling occasionally in summer, didn't have a heater for winter (in south Florida), was so loud a radio was useless and cruising on the freeway at 60 was at 3500 rpms. On a good day it got 6 mpg, but I still drove it every day. That was in the early 90's. Then I got married, started a family, and that all stopped real quick. One of the coolest things about a Pro Touring car and modern technology is that you can have an engine with 100 hp more than my Nova had, get 20 mpg, and idle with the a/c on all day long.

As far as suspension goes, again modern technology says you can have your cake and eat it too. From Speedtech's point of view, little things like rotating updated front suspension engineering and geometry, "Articulink" arms and torque arm suspensions help give amazing response but a smooth, stable and comfortable ride. Decent coilovers can have heavier spring rates and aggressive track valving but when you dial down the valving you can ride home from the track like it's a Caddy.

Until I tore it apart for upgrades I drove my Pro Touring G body Cutlass daily and autocrossed it whenever I could. Even used it to tow my Nova from Georgia to Utah, covering 2500 miles in 3 days. Ran comfortable and I didn't feel beat up and sore when I got home. I say if you build it and don't drive it, you couldda saved $50,000 - $150,000 and put a poster of someone else's car in the garage instead.