Entrophy with trinary

[Timmah]

Do you have the gm create engine harness? is yes, is there a fan relay build in the fuse panel that comes with it?

Tim

[blitzer454]

Make sure the trinary blue wire is truly grounded especially if you grounded it to the radiator support. The radiator support is generally mounted to the frame via rubber bushings so it's possible that it might not be grounded.

If you manually ground the green Entropy wire does the fan then run? If it does then either the trinary switch is not getting up to pressure or it is defective, assuming that the A/C compressor is working and the system is properly charged.

On a side note, am I the only one that can't get on Entropy's website? I always get a "Forbidden" error when I try.

[redzo6]

Yes its grounded to the frame. If I hook a jumper wire from the ground wire to the entrophy green wire, the fans come on. I am guessing its the trinary switch is defective. The guy from vintage air said he has been there for many years and never had a bad trinary switch. Figures I am the first.

http://www.entropyrad.com/ the website works fine for me.

[blitzer454]

How long are you waiting for the fan to start after turning on the A/C? I know on my car it can sometimes take a couple of minutes before the trinary switch turns on. You could also try measuring the line pressure with a manifold gauge and confirm the pressure gets above 254psi. If it does then I would say the switch is bad given that the fan does run if you manually ground the Entropy fan wire, assuming you were grounding it from the same ground the trinary switch uses.

[DT69Cam]

Originally Posted by Timmah

Do you have the gm create engine harness? is yes, is there a fan relay build in the fuse panel that comes with it?

Tim

I also would like to know what set up you are running ?? GMPP harness , blue fan wire ?? Or another fan controller all together?? Thx

[dhutton]

Originally Posted by DT69Cam

I also would like to know what set up you are running ?? GMPP harness , blue fan wire ?? Or another fan controller all together?? Thx

Entropy fan controller. Completely independent controller. No need for GMPP Blue wire.

I use the compressor clutch drive to interface to the Entropy controller with a binary switch. Never an issue on multiple installs.

Don

[DT69Cam]

Originally Posted by dhutton

Entropy fan controller. Completely independent controller. No need for GMPP Blue wire.

I use the compressor clutch drive to interface to the Entropy controller with a binary switch. Never an issue on multiple installs.

Don

Don he is using the Entropy fan controller ??? I thought you did not need a trinary switch with their controller ??? http://www.entropyrad.com/wiring-harnesses.html

[Timmah]

This thread is part two of another thread about the same issue last week. They were trying to make the GMPP controls work with it also. The GMPP harness has a fuse relay in the fuse box that feeds the fan and I believe it is positive 12 volts instead of negative. see statement from the GMPP instruction manual,

" A cooling fan is controlled by the ECM. Control is set to turn on a 12 V fan at 97 Deg C (207 Deg F) coolant temperature. The fan control wire is fused/relayed and must be connected directly to your fan. NOTE: If the wire is not connected to a fan it turn on the service engine soon light."

If this is true, I bet the trinary contacts got burnt.

Question to the user of the aftermarket controller, do you have the MIL lamp turn on not being connected to the fan as stated above, or will it let you toggle it off in the software.

Tim

[dhutton]

Originally Posted by Timmah

This thread is part two of another thread about the same issue last week. They were trying to make the GMPP controls work with it also. The GMPP harness has a fuse relay in the fuse box that feeds the fan and I believe it is positive 12 volts instead of negative. see statement from the GMPP instruction manual,

" A cooling fan is controlled by the ECM. Control is set to turn on a 12 V fan at 97 Deg C (207 Deg F) coolant temperature. The fan control wire is fused/relayed and must be connected directly to your fan. NOTE: If the wire is not connected to a fan it turn on the service engine soon light."

If this is true, I bet the trinary contacts got burnt.

Question to the user of the aftermarket controller, do you have the MIL lamp turn on not being connected to the fan as stated above, or will it let you toggle it off in the software.

Tim

I don’t use the GMPP blue fan power wire and I don’t get a check engine light.

Don

[dhutton]

Originally Posted by Timmah

This thread is part two of another thread about the same issue last week. They were trying to make the GMPP controls work with it also. The GMPP harness has a fuse relay in the fuse box that feeds the fan and I believe it is positive 12 volts instead of negative. see statement from the GMPP instruction manual,

" A cooling fan is controlled by the ECM. Control is set to turn on a 12 V fan at 97 Deg C (207 Deg F) coolant temperature. The fan control wire is fused/relayed and must be connected directly to your fan. NOTE: If the wire is not connected to a fan it turn on the service engine soon light."

If this is true, I bet the trinary contacts got burnt.

Question to the user of the aftermarket controller, do you have the MIL lamp turn on not being connected to the fan as stated above, or will it let you toggle it off in the software.

Tim

I don’t use the GMPP blue fan power wire and I don’t get a check engine light. I don’t toggle anything in the software. Why the ECM would be monitoring fan current is a bit of a mystery to me.

Don