WELD/SUTTON DIRT MISSILE build

[Ummgawa]

Holy Smoke Greg. I was so stoked talking to Aaron about the “event”. Sucks out Loud. You’re a good man Greg, Illigitimi Non Carborundum...

[GregWeld]

Just to be sure..... this is NOT ABOUT ME..... or this particular project!!

It's about all the people I'm hearing from that haven't gotten parts -- they've gotten the wrong parts -- they're waiting MONTHS for parts -- in some cases a couple years!! WTF!! A couple have abandoned their projects because of it.....

I don't care who you are --- that's just wrong! Just so so wrong!

I sincerely apologize to all who have been wronged because I feel like some of you probably did business with him because of me. THAT IS WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME..... to get this out in the open so nobody else is going to have these issues!

I'm not on Pro-Touring.com or Facebook etc..... but this is a tidal wave of people just on this one site (Lat-G). I would hope that people speak up on these other places if they know what going on.

[WSSix]

I'm not sure what's taken a turn faster, the car or this thread.

...and I probably shouldn't crack jokes at this time.

I'm sorry to hear about the troubles, Greg. I hope it can be fixed easily so you can enjoy it.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by WSSix

I'm not sure what's taken a turn fast, the car or this thread.

...and I probably shouldn't crack jokes at this time.

I'm sorry to hear about the troubles, Greg. I hope it can be fixed easily so you can enjoy it.

My stuff will be fine -- I have ample means and friends that will sort thru it. I'm not concerned about me at all ----- I'm concerned with those that are screwed over getting the wrong stuff - never getting stuff - and all the other "wrongs". I don't know how a guy could function or sleep at night knowing he's done so many people wrong. Amazing to me -- I'd have never ever thought it!

[Paraman1]

I am deeply saddened to hear all of this Greg. I was living vicariously through you to a certain extent watching this car get built and flogged on the track. In the videos I noticed smoke billowing through the cab and thought it must just be race car ****. You and Aaron are my heroes in many ways persevering through devastating health issues and living your dream to the extent that you still can. I am so sorry that this dream didn't work out the way you planned and that you wound up with much less than you paid for.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Paraman1

I am deeply saddened to hear all of this Greg. I was living vicariously through you to a certain extent watching this car get built and flogged on the track. In the videos I noticed smoke billowing through the cab and thought it must just be race car ****. You and Aaron are my heroes in many ways persevering through devastating health issues and living your dream to the extent that you still can. I am so sorry that this dream didn't work out the way you planned and that you wound up with much less than you paid for.

Thank you. But seriously guys --- this is not about the cost to me -- I've got half what Lillard has, and that makes me a rich man. My friends here aren't so lucky. They work hard for their money - and building this crap is hard enough and takes too long -- then to also be screwed on parts and months of waiting.

How does a man live with himself doing this? I've never understood why they don't think this is wrong - or that they won't be "caught". You rob Peter to pay Paul..... you end up with a sore peter.

I've had a couple short mails from him --- and there's ZERO ownership. He's so sick in the head that he still thinks this is ONLY about the Beast!! What?!?!?! REALLY!?!?!?

I think he used me as a pawn to dupe everyone else. Now I wonder how many of the parts on my car -- you all paid for by not getting your stuff..... But he knew he HAD to do right by me -- or he'd be staring at what has now come his way.

Again -- I'm absolutely sick over this. Literally! I feel I'm responsible..... but then all these folks are PM'ing me their stories ---- and I think ---- For christ's sake -- why didn't you say something!!! But we all know - hope is eternal.

I HOPE he mans up -- comes clean --- and starts over. Just like rehab.... you can get a second chance. But I also agree with others that say a Leopard doesn't change it's spots. I think that is probably closer to the truth.

[DBasher]

I usually try and live by something I heard along time ago; Not my pig, not my farm. It’s helped me stay away from quite a bit of bull**** though the years...unfortunately I’ve also had it drilled into my head, When you see something, say something. So I’m going to say something.

The car in pictures and out on track looks great, no doubt. But seeing the car for the first time Friday was a huge shock and honestly a big disappointment. It took one 5 minute walk around to realize this wasn’t going to be a car Weld or Ron could “show off” and be proud of. How could you be?
No bodywork, sanding scratches seen through the wrap, wrap joints that overlapped and created a darker yellow, the wrap pulled so tight in areas that it created a different shade of yellow, the windows that don’t lay in correct and have a bulge or deformed area, taillights that look like they’re held in with a screw, maybe two and shake when the car moves....and the hood stripes that are so in your face crooked...it’s embarrassing. Ron should be embarrassed to let this quality, or lack of, ever leave a shop.
You’ll notice I didn’t say anything about the gaps or alignment of panels. It’s a race car and everyone understands that...that being said, I’ve seen farm equipment with better panel fitment.
The body is a wreck and a HS auto shop could have done a better job putting it together.

Now on to the problems. I don’t know anything about LS motors so I can’t and won’t comment on the “breather blow by”....F it, yes I will. Dude, that’s not blow by, that’s a motor losing half a quart of oil in 4 minutes of hard charging on track...#becauseracecar? I don’t think so. The clean up wasn’t a quick wipe down it was more like a FEMA response team in Valdez Alaska. All over the freshly coated exhaust, on the floor inside the car...that bitch puked like a freshman at senior prom...every time out! Maybe we should check the valve cover gaskets...again. Fawk man!

The cooling issues. Again I don’t know anything other than what I’ve read...and what Ron has posted. To recap some of the threads- Air comes in the front and exits out....well if you’ve paid attention or been to any track event to dump the engine bay heat you go out the front fenders or put vents in the hood. On this turd, where is the air exiting? Ron posted that the engine bay “is really hot” ya think? It’s not vented anywhere. An air to fluid heat exchange doesn’t work unless you’re actually moving air, think about it.

The only other issue I’ve got, from what I saw, was the complete lack of accountability from Ron. Instead of owning the faults the buck was and still is being passed. It’s been implied that Welds crew (aka friends) were the reason for the thread taking a turn. Nah dude, the car being built and mismanaged poorly is why all of this is coming out. Sad really.

[96z28ss]

Originally Posted by DBasher

It’s been implied that Welds crew (aka friends) were the reason for the thread taking a turn. Nah dude, the car being built and mismanaged poorly is why all of this is coming out. Sad really.

I hope that's not being said. We saw the car in person. This had to be addressed sooner than later.
Yes Weld had a few of his friends at the track. $hit we were excited to see it. I personally walked around the car and was like WTF. First thing I noticed was the bad wrap job. Then it was the stripes not being straight and the right side stripe covering the peak. After everyone left on Sunday we took a tape measure to see if it was the stripe or the peak was wrong. It was the stripes.

The car had issues all weekend. However we put chairs outside the shop and sat around in between every session. We let Ron's team do all the work and made sure to stay out of his way.
It was hard to just sit around and watch the guys do the same thing over and over. The same issues over and over.

Watch the August 4th track video on Youtube. Look and the passenger side floor notice the color at the start of the video. Look at all the electronics on that side. Fast forward to the 6 minute mark. Watch the oil start to soak everything. by the 8 minute mark the oil is sloshing back and forth. There are expensive electronics there and it just got soaked.

This thread took a turn, but its because it had to, not because his friends decided to.

[Build-It-Break-it]

This is all so sad to read.. I guess you definitely cannot go based on pictures. That video of the car was just embarrassing to have even delivered to a customer.

I remember when I posted about my issues with Scott mocks subframe being junk a few people contacted me calling me a liar or made excuses for what was built for me. Some people reached out and said I got scammed too. I told them the same thing SAY SOMETHING THEN.

Well fast forward and one of those same people posted about losing money from Scott mock. Sad it happened but I warned people. I got flack for posting about a "valued " member ,but I felt I did what was right.

Hopefully this will all get sorted and names and reputations will be saved. No matter how rich or poor you are it sucks to loose money but worse yet your barrowed time.

Much respect for you posting this Greg.

[DBasher]

Originally Posted by 96z28ss

Watch the August 4th track video on Youtube. Look and the passenger side floor notice the color at the start of the video. Look at all the electronics on that side. Fast forward to the 6 minute mark. Watch the oil start to soak everything. by the 8 minute mark the oil is sloshing back and forth. There are expensive electronics there and it just got soaked.

This thread took a turn, but its because it had to, not because his friends decided to.

I never noticed this but watching again that’s a bit more than “blow by”.
You can just about register the G’s by the amount of oil on the floor.