Wiring harness

[Andrew_at_Painless]

Originally Posted by jovande

I agree, very good directions. still up in the air on whose system to use on my 69 Protouring camaro. Will be wiring in about 4 months.

Are you completely smoothing the firewall or keeping the bulkhead for the wiring on the driver side behind the brake booster/hydroboost?

[jovande]

Originally Posted by Andrew_at_Painless

Are you completely smoothing the firewall or keeping the bulkhead for the wiring on the driver side behind the brake booster/hydroboost?

Firewall is completely smoothed. How does your set work out for this?

[Andrew_at_Painless]

Originally Posted by jovande

Firewall is completely smoothed. How does your set work out for this?

We offer our Pro-Series with a grommet firewall pass-through and there is a lot of extra length in the wiring, so you can run the wiring through the firewall down low and hidden if you choose.

Only thing we'd need to know to get your a part number is if you plan to do power windows/locks, and if you plan to keep the key in the column or go to a push-button or something different like that.

[captainofiron]

I was just about to ask about AAW classic update versus Painless kit

[79 Camaro]

I've used about a half dozen Painless kits on various cars. They were priced higher than AAW and 10 years ago they seemed a better kit. I used the universal kit for my projects.

The last one I purchased was last spring and wired my 68 C10 project.

A few things that seemed odd and very dated.

1. Directions not included in the kit. You had to down load them from their web site. All the previous kits I purchased included them in the box. They were exactly the same as ten years ago. What is Painless just trying to save paper?
2. The kit includes a plastic tray with blue crimp type terminals. Those look cheap and are cheap. I didn't use a single one. I went to Fastenal and purchased the heat shrink terminals. The only thing that is really useable are the ring terminal after you pull the blue plastic off and then heat shrink tubing to cover the crimp.
3. The instructions are same for the last 10-12 years. Not updated like the Pro series above. The look is very dated. Also the asterisks can be confusing.
4. I understand it's a universal kit but if you have to down load the instructions. Create instructions for GM, for Ford and Mopar and get rid of all the extra stuff that's not required for that brand of car.
5. Some wires were very lightly marked and hard to read. Some of the wires going to the back of the truck were marked backwards. I asked the Painless tech line why that was and they said basically "stuff happens".
6. The rebate thing always irritates me. Seems like I never buy a kit while the rebate is available. Why just not lower the kit price and be done with it?

I installed the kit. Had a few questions and the tech line was good.

Everything works as it should.

I haven't used a AAW kit but typically they are less expensive. I don't think Painless is worth the higher cost any more.

No intent to flame Painless here. I've met the owners at their plant in Fort Worth and they were very pleasant. Also at a car show they were kind enough to give me a relay when my fan relay failed.

[ilikeike]

I installed the AAW update on my Camaro,Painless didn't have that new kit available at that time.

I have to admit after looking at the newer painless kit detail, it looks pretty good.

[79 Camaro]

I haven't looked up the pricing for the Pro Series from Painless but I would challenge them to price it like the universal kit and be dollar for dollar against AAW. Extra wire length and a grommet? Wow what an upgrade!