Sometimes things don’t go as planned

[tcgrmt]

Thru my years in business one thing that always throws up a red flag is anyone that spouts off on money. I heard in CA now you talked about making “x” dollars, now your spouting figures of a personal deal with Ron. Hope someone can make you happy with your car.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by tcgrmt

Thru my years in business one thing that always throws up a red flag is anyone that spouts off on money. I heard in CA now you talked about making “x” dollars, now your spouting figures of a personal deal with Ron. Hope someone can make you happy with your car.

The money part is for REFERENCE.... in other words - how tight the relationship was etc. There's a big difference in level of expectations for people at "X" level -- if they don't know what that number is - then there's little anyone could understand about that. In other words -- this is a $200K build -- not a $50K build. It's wasn't a budget build - so what did you think you were going to get on that budget. The numbers by the way - were published as advertising by Ron.

Your kool aid glass is empty.... better get a refill.

[tcgrmt]

The more I read the more I am inclined to call bull****. Sorry I just call it as I see it. Your trying to destory someones reputation and business. First off this $80k loan on a hand shake (didn’t see where Ron disclosed that publicly), I trust my two business partners as much as my family but I still have a buy sell agreement, just good business. All these other peoplle that contacted you about problems with Ron, why didn’t they warn you at the start of the build??? It wasn’t a secret build.
After the test n tune did you sit down with Ron and discuss the problems? Did you give Ron a chance to answer all the allegations your friends claim before you went publc?
Just saying Greg....you can call my a kool aid drinker, but maybe I am just not of one of those buddies blowing smoke up your ass

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by tcgrmt

The more I read the more I am inclined to call bull****. Sorry I just call it as I see it. Your trying to destory someones reputation and business. First off this $80k loan on a hand shake (didn’t see where Ron disclosed that publicly), I trust my two business partners as much as my family but I still have a buy sell agreement, just good business. All these other peoplle that contacted you about problems with Ron, why didn’t they warn you at the start of the build??? It wasn’t a secret build.
After the test n tune did you sit down with Ron and discuss the problems? Did you give Ron a chance to answer all the allegations your friends claim before you went publc?
Just saying Greg....you can call my a kool aid drinker, but maybe I am just not of one of those buddies blowing smoke up your ass

Be honest, you're a personal friend of Rons. You even list him as your referral to this site, and all your previous posts are involved with him. That's fine, but that makes your posts somewhat biased IMO.

I am the one who removed Ron, and not just because of Greg. I was contacted by several guys who had problems with getting parts and having major issues with his suspension design to the point of scrapping the suspension and starting all over. And a couple of these guys know what they're doing, not a case of the customer screwing it up which definitely happens.

You are defending your buddy and attacking Greg, but everything Greg posted is true. I personally liked Ron. But in cases like these where numerous people have similar claims we have to make difficult decisions which always lean towards what's best for our members. Even though it cost me money out of pocket I didn't feel like I could keep him as a vendor on my site.

[tcgrmt]

Personal friend of Ron’s, I guess. He has provided me services but I don’t get Chrismas cards from him. Lol...last time I texted him he asked who i was.
Aren’t you a friend of Greg’s? Why does that matter?
I guess the G in lateral G stands for Greg.
Like I declared up front I only came to this forum to read Ron’s posts on suspensions and learn all could. I can’t afford someone to build my car and I do all my own work.
I think BOTH are at fault here and if I was Greg I would be pissed too. But to publicly destory someone like this is not right. I’d be saying something no matter who it was. Greg's signature speaks volumes.
You can ban me too since I am not on the Greg train.

[raustinss]

My best friend, since we were 15 ... now 40 doesnt send me a Christmas card either ...

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by tcgrmt

Personal friend of Ron’s, I guess. He has provided me services but I don’t get Chrismas cards from him. Lol...last time I texted him he asked who i was.
Aren’t you a friend of Greg’s? Why does that matter?
I guess the G in lateral G stands for Greg.
Like I declared up front I only came to this forum to read Ron’s posts on suspensions and learn all could. I can’t afford someone to build my car and I do all my own work.
I think BOTH are at fault here and if I was Greg I would be pissed too. But to publicly destory someone like this is not right. I’d be saying something no matter who it was. Greg's signature speaks volumes.
You can ban me too since I am not on the Greg train.

Rob,

I believe G stands for gravity.

Greg Weld is friends with probably hundreds of people - maybe more - on Lateral G.

If you came around more and didn't just post at the request of Ron Sutton (it's utterly obvious by the timeline and posts following his creation of this thread), you would likely be his friend too. He's a good man in many ways.

But he doesn't wave the ban hammer around here, I can assure you.

Have a nice day.

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by tcgrmt

You can ban me too since I am not on the Greg train.

Who else have I banned?

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by camcojb

Who else have I banned?

Can you please ban Charley?


Oh wait -- he's moved on to "The Military Channel".

[JeffPeoples]

I have been following Ron's posts the beginning. They have been the main reason for me visiting this forum. When his first posts hit, I had just bought a full chassis from an aftermarket company (Street Rod Garage) as the basis for a serious autocross/track day car. It had beautiful welds, but was ready far later than promised, and was missing some expensive parts. Ron's posts educated me on how to measure a chassis, and what to look for that will affect performance. After doing this, I knew what I had was bogus. I got out the plasma cutter and started over with all of the suspension mounts. Then the cross members, then the frame rails. Pretty soon I had nothing left. I started fabbing some things myself, but realized that I was in over my head, and that only working most Saturdays was going to take far too long to complete the car.
I decided to give Ron a call, and we had a long talk. By this time he was selling suspension parts. I ended up buying a front clip for my chassis, and later most of a rear clip. I found a local fab shop that seemed to be a good fit (they had done King of The Hammers builds, cool!). A year or so and a lot of money later, I had to get the car back to my place due to the slow pace. The shop ended up prioritizing the quickie projects and odd jobs, to the determent of the full builds that he had on hand collecting dust. I ended up doing more work myself waiting for a good shop in Texas to get an opening, which was therapeutic, all things considered. I had been buying misc. parts (including Forgeline wheels) through Ron all along, mainly due to the expert advice he provided during the ordering process.
Were all of the things he did for me perfect? No. As I discovered an issue here or there, Ron took care of them. I noticed that responses got a little slower, but I understood his business was going through some growing pains (I knew this because he told me so). I never felt like Ron was trying to put something over on me, or that he was being dishonest in anyway. In my business, we sometimes have issues being as responsive as I would like, so I understand that "things don't always go as planned". As I am a Buick guy, I am used to waiting on parts and services for my cars. There are only about 3 good Buick engines builders in the country, and only one Buick speed parts vendor. I have waited 6 months for a set of cast aluminum valve covers, and years for engines to be built. These involve specialized, low volume, and sometimes one off parts. Just like the highly custom track toys that many of us on this site are building. Patience is a virtue in these instances.
There are many good vendors (and people) on this site, and I have met and patronized some of them (Kore3, Ridetech, Detroit Speed, Holley come to mind). What sets Ron apart is his willingness to share and educate with intricate details about suspension theories, workings, and experiences from a racing environment. Watch a race on TV and see how much real tech you can glean from the commentators. I have also attended and enjoyed Ron's seminars, and will do so again.
I hope anyone that feels they have not been treated fairly by Ron will give him a chance to take care of their issues. I believe he will.