DETROIT long but worth the read if you care.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by Shmoov69

Good read Chris, thanks for posting it. There are sooooo many reasons for the problem, that I can't get into it......that got another thread locked, so I won't comment! Lol.

And Realcoray, it may "seem" racist, but facts are facts. Black, white, brown, yellow or green. Most stereotypes are caused, not created IMO. I deal with stereotypes everyday at work.

The issue is they are portrayed as facts when they really aren't. I wouldn't even question that stereotypes have some basis in reality, but at the same time I know that it's rarely as simple as people make it.

The article blames people because of their race and goes on to suggest that there's some sort of ridiculous conspiracy to convert the united states to islam. Movies have more solid plot lines than this garbage.

In any event, if that were to ever happen we'll just do what we white folks have done before, go to someplace new, kill or round up everyone who is already there and move on with life.

[Sieg]

The underlying issue is the trend in public sector growth that is not sustainable as they are dependant on diminishing private sector tax revenues.

[jimbo]

In Detroit we have tail gunners on our beer trucks

Hiroshima vs. Detroit 64 years later. Interesting pics.http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1254861706

[DaveO]

Originally Posted by Shmoov69

Good read Chris, thanks for posting it. There are sooooo many reasons for the problem, that I can't get into it......that got another thread locked, so I won't comment! Lol.

And Realcoray, it may "seem" racist, but facts are facts. Black, white, brown, yellow or green. Most stereotypes are caused, not created IMO. I deal with stereotypes everyday at work.

Most stereotypes are caused by ignorance.

[ProTouring442]

Originally Posted by DaveO

Most stereotypes are caused by ignorance.

Yes, and no. Yes, in that most stereotypes are the result of not being able to see a larger picture, but no in that many stereotypes are the result of someone's experience. My father owned a service station in Capitol Heights, Maryland, and someone who dealt with life in that area, and unable to see beyond that area, could very easily develop a negative stereotype of a certain segment of the population as defined by race. This does not mean that I agree with such stereotypes, or that I think that all people who fit the racial description also fit the stereotype, it only means that I can see how they can develop.

It is also true that negative stereotypes are present on both sides of any color line. I don't think there was a day that went by where I did not hear someone explain that some problem of one sort or another was caused because "all white people" are (fill in the blank).

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Bill

[ProTouring442]

Originally Posted by realcoray

Seems pretty racist to me. No one would suggest that Detroit doesn't have issues but this junk seems to suggest that it's all to blame on the blacks and muslims, oh don't forget the mexicans!

Maybe it's because GM, Ford and Chrylser sucked so hardcore for so long that their own destruction destroyed the city they called home, and people who happen to struggle to get by moved in to live in the wreckage.

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been so bad, why have they all sold so many cars?

And while I would agree that Detroit's problems cannot be blamed on a single factor, the fact that gang members are predominately Black and Hispanic must mean something.


(source: http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov)

My guess is that the problem is assimilation. A large non-American culture has arisen within these communities, and it is destroying cities. Add tot hat mix immigrants who also refuse to assimilate, and the cities become even worse.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by ProTouring442

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been so bad, why have they all sold so many cars?

And while I would agree that Detroit's problems cannot be blamed on a single factor, the fact that gang members are predominately Black and Hispanic must mean something.


(source: http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov)

My guess is that the problem is assimilation. A large non-American culture has arisen within these communities, and it is destroying cities. Add tot hat mix immigrants who also refuse to assimilate, and the cities become even worse.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

The issue is if you correlate race with something, you neglect to understand what may really be happening.

Blacks and Hispanics are like 3x more likely to be below the poverty line, and the graph comparing all races in regards to poverty would be very similar to the gang or crime one.

I agree that assimilation is critical but people expect it to be instant which isn't reasonable. If you had to move to Italy for your job, do you think you could completely assimilate in the same time frame you expect others? Or, is it more likely that if you have children there, they will assimilate?

The same sort of knee jerk reactions to large groups of so called foreigners has happened over and over again in American history. Those dirty drunk irish, I hate them! Those italians with their ferraris and olive oil, they refuse to learn the language! They are all destroying our America!

Detroit was destroyed by the big 3, in the same way that numerous towns who relied on a single industry have experienced the downside of said industry leaving or dying. It's just the biggest city that's all.

[Shmoov69]

Surely you are not saying that it was destroyed by the big three alone?? But rather all the issues that came with the big three?? Unions, greed, lazieness, wealth, entitlement, out of touch management etc...

[ProTouring442]

Originally Posted by realcoray

The issue is if you correlate race with something, you neglect to understand what may really be happening.

Blacks and Hispanics are like 3x more likely to be below the poverty line, and the graph comparing all races in regards to poverty would be very similar to the gang or crime one.

I agree that assimilation is critical but people expect it to be instant which isn't reasonable. If you had to move to Italy for your job, do you think you could completely assimilate in the same time frame you expect others? Or, is it more likely that if you have children there, they will assimilate?

The same sort of knee jerk reactions to large groups of so called foreigners has happened over and over again in American history. Those dirty drunk irish, I hate them! Those italians with their ferraris and olive oil, they refuse to learn the language! They are all destroying our America!

Detroit was destroyed by the big 3, in the same way that numerous towns who relied on a single industry have experienced the downside of said industry leaving or dying. It's just the biggest city that's all.

You are most certainly correct, correlation does not mean causation. However, it would be just as foolish to say that certain segments of the population, as defined by race, do not have a problem within their ranks. As for assimilation, I would agree if it were not for the fact that some ethnicities display the same assimilation difficulties despite the fact that they are not, on average, first generation Americans. Instead certain ethnicities have, for one reason or another, developed a culture that is significantly different in both its outlook and its morality from that of what might be called a "mainstream" US culture. It is a shame that certain people defining themselves as so-called "leaders" of these extra-mainstream cultures, instead of working against the negative values and actions displayed therein, actually work to reinforce the negative actions and values in order to perpetuate their own power position.

"No greater injury can be done to any youth than to let him feel that because he belongs to this or that race he will be advanced in life regardless of his own merits or efforts." -Booker T. Washington

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Bill

[Shmoov69]

Very good writing Bill!! You did very good keeping it "PC", much better than I could have! LOL!

On the other note..
I'm too black and white (not race) with not much gray. Facts are facts and I STILL believe stereotypes ARE usually brought on by the people being stereotyped. There are without question exceptions, but stereotypes are there because of a history of a certian thing. Good or bad.
What stereotype do you fill the blank in with?
Trailer trash?
7-11 clerks?
Cab drivers?
Pro football players?
Pro football QB's?
Pro hockey players?
Gang members?
NASCAR drivers?
Rednecks?
Blonde girls?
Cowboys?
Terrorists?
Olympic long distance runners?
Phone "tech support"?
Cheap labor?
Cheap goods?
Politicians?
Skinheads?
Televangelists?
Construction workers?
They ALL have a stereotype, some good, some bad and some just because. You get an image of a "stereotype" for everyone of those. That is because a good portion of those examples are a certian way.
Now, hopefully this isn't taken in a bad way and just discussion!