What would a USCA pro-touring class look like??

[eric1967]

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

I think the goal of the event needs to be addressed. What is the end result from Optima that is desired. The judging is dumb, that is why I asked. It must have something to do with the goal. You can't have stopwatch scoring and beauty pageant scoring combined, IMO. Obviously many factors come into play. I get all the emotional getting together stuff, car guy hanging out, different types of cars, different clicks within the groups, new vs old, etc, etc.

It is invitational and having a variety increases interest and more moola.
Personally I like seeing all the different cars at the event. I think we get too caught up in who wins. Doesn't mean diddly poo in the real world. You should judge yourself based on your car group. Just post the numbers of each car in their model group and also compared to all and call it a day. If its the fastest overall its the champ overall. Need to compare apples to apples. IMO. At least you could see and the spectators could see where you stand within your group. It would actually be more competitive IMO.

Also a concern of mine is the more often a car off the shelf wins or is much more competitive than the pro touring cars, it will start to erode the interest in choosing to modify old iron vs just buying off the lot. My own selfish way wants to see all the core pro touring businesses continue growing.

The gap that has been closed by the old iron with the new suspension upgrades, engines, etc has been remarkable. Think what the time difference would be from a bone stock 69 Camaro to Stielow's 69. The core pro touring guys should be damn proud of the before (stock) to todays version.

Well spoken Stuart. I agree the judging is pretty stupid. When you use these cars the get rock chips, scratched & dirty. I could care less what somebody thinks of my car. If you like it that's great, if not that's fine also. I built it for me & my family.
Most people do not realize the talent of guys like Danny Popp. I have been doing autocross events for several years. Danny Popp could get in my car right now having never driven it & kick my but. He can do that with most of the cars at these events. Don't believe me let him drive your car.

[GrabberGT]

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

I think the goal of the event needs to be addressed. What is the end result from Optima that is desired. The judging is dumb, that is why I asked. It must have something to do with the goal. You can't have stopwatch scoring and beauty pageant scoring combined, IMO. Obviously many factors come into play. I get all the emotional getting together stuff, car guy hanging out, different types of cars, different clicks within the groups, new vs old, etc, etc.

It is invitational and having a variety increases interest and more moola.
Personally I like seeing all the different cars at the event. I think we get too caught up in who wins. Doesn't mean diddly poo in the real world. You should judge yourself based on your car group. Just post the numbers of each car in their model group and also compared to all and call it a day. If its the fastest overall its the champ overall. Need to compare apples to apples. IMO. At least you could see and the spectators could see where you stand within your group. It would actually be more competitive IMO.

Also a concern of mine is the more often a car off the shelf wins or is much more competitive than the pro touring cars, it will start to erode the interest in choosing to modify old iron vs just buying off the lot. My own selfish way wants to see all the core pro touring businesses continue growing.

The gap that has been closed by the old iron with the new suspension upgrades, engines, etc has been remarkable. Think what the time difference would be from a bone stock 69 Camaro to Stielow's 69. The core pro touring guys should be damn proud of the before (stock) to todays version.

I thought the judging aspect is there to help keep the Street Car in the event. Registered and insured as street legal is not enough. For many of us, the state only requires minimum safety inspection to pass as a street car. That is, parking brake, horn, signals, and lights. Anything else goes. Strip away all that excess (interior panels, windows, carpet, dash...) and you end up with street legal car shells jumping in the mix.

[Stuart Adams]

Originally Posted by GrabberGT

I thought the judging aspect is there to help keep the Street Car in the event. Registered and insured as street legal is not enough. For many of us, the state only requires minimum safety inspection to pass as a street car. That is, parking brake, horn, signals, and lights. Anything else goes. Strip away all that excess (interior panels, windows, carpet, dash...) and you end up with street legal car shells jumping in the mix.

Maybe I'm wrong then. The tech sheet sais if your car qualifies to even participate I thought. The judging was subjective I thought.