Wayne Dues C4 front sub-frame

[dhutton]

Probably a stupid question, but are you sure you don't have those steering arms on upside down? It looks to me like they might be and that the tie rods should be connected to the arms from the bottom. I'm far from an expert so maybe someone else who knows better will take a look.

It might help if you post a picture with the control arms set at ride height instead of full drop. The second picture that you posted is the one that just looks a little wrong to me.

Don

[Z06vette]

My tie rods mount to the bottom of the steering arms. Our C4 subs are a bit different, so I cant say for sure yours is wrong. Scott

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I think Don might be right. The rack tie rod shaft should be pretty close the the angle of the lower control arm.



Might have the sides swapped. If I remember right the steering arms do have a slight bend to them.


Vince

[ArisESQ]

i think anything can be made to perform well with the right dialing in and adjusting. realistically, a first gen camaro isn't exactly the best platform to start with if you just wanna go fast on a track anyways.

sure, the wayne due may not be the BEST option, but it's certainly an option. i say stick with it and don't regret it. i'm sure you'll be satisfied.

[68protouring454]

the tie rods do go below the steering arm.

[clay69camaro]

haha I kinda just slapped it all together for a picture. But yeah the steering arms are on wrong and the tie rods too. Nothing is even more than hand tight though.... Nice observation .

I've got to look for my directions that came with the sub-frame. I put all my camaro stuff in storage a few months back, so now I've got to track them down

We'll see how things play out. I'd like to know what Mark says as well. I'm not looking to break any world records, just set some personal ones and break them by improving my driving.

Being told to sell the sub-frame because it will never work well for the track is making me go loo loo.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

then that set up should suite you fine. Its a great set up to build from. You just have a bit of work ahead of you. Not a big deal with the right research. Take a few bumpsteer readings and find a good alignment shop to work with.


Might have better luck sending him a PM.


Vince

[Stielow]

Originally Posted by camcojb

It can be made to work, just depends on how much work and money you want to spend to make it work. I sent Mark an e-mail, I'll let you know what he says......

I do know I rode in the Mule on a road course with Mark driving and the car was very stable and very fast. I remember Mark saying he was happy with how it worked on the track. I'm not saying it's the best way to go subframe-wise, but I think you can make it work plenty well to have fun with since you already own it and cannot afford to buy something else.

The Mule had a front clip from Art Rasmusion (sp?). When Art passed away un-expectantly Wayne Due purchased the tooling to make the front clips. I have NO idea what Wayne Due did to the original design...

On the Art front clip on the Mule I modified the clip to take a Delphi steering rack. A shortened C-5 Corvette. BTW that system still has a noise in it that ticks me off to this day. With that I had to made one off steering arms to fix the bump steer and ackerman angles. We also added down bars in the engine bay to triangulate it due to how light it was.

The Mule works great. But it doesn’t have a front clip made by Wayne Due!

Mark

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by Stielow

The Mule had a front clip from Art Rasmusion (sp?). When Art passed away un-expectantly Wayne Due purchased the tooling to make the front clips. I have NO idea what Wayne Due did to the original design...

On the Art front clip on the Mule I modified the clip to take a Delphi steering rack. A shortened C-5 Corvette. BTW that system still has a noise in it that ticks me off to this day. With that I had to made one off steering arms to fix the bump steer and ackerman angles. We also added down bars in the engine bay to triangulate it due to how light it was.

The Mule works great. But it doesn’t have a front clip made by Wayne Due!

Mark

thanks Mark. I thought Wayne used Art's design. If he made any revisions down the road I'm not sure what they were and when he made them. I had heard that his C4 clips were Arts design, and then he made changes when he started offering C5 clips.

Jody

[Stielow]

Originally Posted by camcojb

thanks Mark. I thought Wayne used Art's design. If he made any revisions down the road I'm not sure what they were and when he made them. I had heard that his C4 clips were Arts design, and then he made changes when he started offering C5 clips.

Jody

Jody

I'm not sure what Wayne did to Art design over time. I just wanted to point out that the sub frame I got for the Mule was built by Art and was fully TIG welded and sanded down. When I got it, it looked great. Of course that was a long time ago. Now there are many choices.

With enough care and attention to details you can get any of them to "work". I worry about strength, durability and geometry.

Mark