anyone seen this video of water as a fuel?

[ProTouring442]

I read that, excepting for this possible break through, it takes more energy to separate the hydrogen from water than the resulting hydrogen will produce. Since this is usually done before the hydrogen is stored on the vehicle as fuel, it would be done by the same power plants (in many cases, coal burning) we have now, putting more strain on the grid and producing much the same pollution as gasoline.

I also understand that, except for getting hydrogen from water, most hydrogen is really made from oil and the production process makes some very nasty byproducts.

As for the oil companies and the inventions they have purchased to keep us addicted to oil... come on guys! There are no 100mpg carburetors. Most of the time we use the best "carburetor" in the world, fuel injection. If 100mpg were possible, someone on the list would figure out how to get his FI to produce it. Now there is technology on the horizon that is incredible. Direct injection in a gasoline engine with no throttle blades! Somehow they inject the air and fuel into the engine together; combustion does not depend on the air the engine sucks in through the intake manifold. Before the injected mixture gets a chance to disperse, it gets hit with spark. I am of the understanding that this will increase fuel mileage by something the neighborhood of 30%.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"

[XcYZ]

Originally Posted by race-rodz

H2O would be a single molecule with 2parts "H" and 1part "O", where HHO would be broke down into specific parts of "H" &"O", hydrogen fuel is nothing new, when it burns it produces H2O, the tricky part is breaking the H2O apart in the first place, which im GUESSING he is doing through some type of serious reverse polarity charge.

this concept is not new at all, being able to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burn the hydrogen, which gives off water as a by-product, and capturing it to return to the system as fuel. in theory you would never need to refuel, other than losses due to inefficencies(sp) in the system.... which would only be water vapor escaping back into the atmosphere to eventually return back to the same never ending supply of water.

But if you extract the Hydrogen elements from the H2O molecule, wouldn't the only thing left over be Oxygen? How would you still have H2O if you remove the Hydrogen element(s)? I'm just not following the chemistry side of it.

EDIT: Here's their website: http://hytechapps.com/applications/index.html

"In this paper we present, apparently for the first time, various measurements on a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen called HHO gas produced via a new electrolyzer ... The measurements herein reported suggest the existence in the HHO gas of stable clusters composed of H and O atoms, their dimers H-O, and their molecules H2, O2 and H2O whose bond cannot entirely be of valence type. Numerous anomalous experimental measurements on the HHO gas are reported in this paper for the first time. ..."

[race-rodz]

it was late...i was tired... should have explained it like this.


way simple version:

mystery invention breaks the water into H, H, O..... which are all ignited, the heat from burning after ignition will put them back together into "water"

hydrogen and oxygen are both flamable, unless together in the stable compound H2O

[XcYZ]

Actually, Oxygen isn't flammable, it's an oxidizer.

[Beast2831]

Well....You need oxygen to have a burn. How do you make a fire..You need heat, fuel (hydrogen), and oxygen...without the oxygen, you cant have burn.

[Diognes56]

Originally Posted by ProTouring442

I read that, excepting for this possible break through, it takes more energy to separate the hydrogen from water than the resulting hydrogen will produce. Since this is usually done before the hydrogen is stored on the vehicle as fuel, it would be done by the same power plants (in many cases, coal burning) we have now, putting more strain on the grid and producing much the same pollution as gasoline.

I also understand that, except for getting hydrogen from water, most hydrogen is really made from oil and the production process makes some very nasty byproducts.

As for the oil companies and the inventions they have purchased to keep us addicted to oil... come on guys! There are no 100mpg carburetors. Most of the time we use the best "carburetor" in the world, fuel injection. If 100mpg were possible, someone on the list would figure out how to get his FI to produce it. Now there is technology on the horizon that is incredible. Direct injection in a gasoline engine with no throttle blades! Somehow they inject the air and fuel into the engine together; combustion does not depend on the air the engine sucks in through the intake manifold. Before the injected mixture gets a chance to disperse, it gets hit with spark. I am of the understanding that this will increase fuel mileage by something the neighborhood of 30%.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"

I think I read that same article. It would be cool if they got it to work, but I don't think we have all the pieces of the puzzle yet.

I am excited about the direct injection though. More HP and more MPG, what more could we ask for ?

David

[Beegs]

This is also cool:

http://www.scuderigroup.com/technolo..._operation.pdf

They are based in MA.

I'm just curious to know exactly what technologies the oil companies HAVE buried, does anyone have any info. to back up their claims?

Bryan in NH

[galopin]

Here's the website:

http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm

I would love to have a gas welder without the soot and acetylene fumes, but this one is just outside of my price range.

[BC69]

MythBusters just tried to do this, I saw the episode a few minutes ago and thought I saw something. They built a machine to split H20 up with some crazy positve/negative charging. It worked, but reallllllyyyy slowly, like pathetically slow. No where near enough to power the car, I bet the electric bill cost more than the value of the Hydrogen when made.

Thought you guys would like to hear, because I know mythbusters has been mentioned many times on here.


Tim

[DAWG]

im a tech rep for the O2 generators on US Navy submarines
with our unit we generate 125 scfh of O2 and 250 scfh of H2.
at 1050 amps 50 vdc
i dont see it feasable cuz to breakdown the water youll need a lot of current and potassium hydroxide to aid in the seperation of the O2 and H2 molecules.
alot of batteries will be needed to support their claims.
heres a link where I work:
http://www.treadwellcorp.com/