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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
What? This? This is just a thread on a message board initiated by someone who readily admits that his own car is not yet complete. It hardly qualifies as "throwing down the gauntlet".
What bugs me is that people assume that if it ain't published on a message board or printed in a magazine, then it's not happening. Most of the guys I know who are tracking their cars will not wear out their keyboards to flaunt the event(s). In the past, when they do post results, the bench racers flood in and criticize the effort in true armchair quarterback fashion.
You would be astonished at the number of message board members who are getting seat time. I can rattle off at least a dozen names without giving it any thought. And after typing this I will curl up with the latest issue of Car Craft. It reminds me that the last three winners of Real Street Eliminator have all been well known pro-touring enthusiasts.
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No! you've missed the point. Going back a while everyone was banging on about how cool it'd be to have as many PT cars get together as possible for a track day. SW said he could arrange circuit time & the next thing you know, the thread dies the death. Then a guy comes on here, with a legitimate observation, & the fact that it's his first post gets cruciified for " calling you out " for a race. V8tv have upped the ante by saying they'll supply media coverage (which incidentally you were all trying to decide how to arrange this with the previous post). V8tv also said they could arrange some cars to compare with the PT cars. That was 4 days ago!! the thread just stopped on the 15th. It seems as if as soon as the bluff is called, everyone drops the idea like a hot stone.
The guy doesen't have to have a comleted car to ask why you don't put track time on them does he?? He is saying, what an awful lot of people are thinking ,.....that is, you guys spend a lot of money adding go faster parts, suspension & brakes to your cars & yet none of those parts have been quantified as to how good they really are. The cars are going the same route as Pro Street, made to look like they could haul ass, but really cant be driven hard for fear of breaking it or marking the paint.Take Johnsons 'Cuda as an example,....lovely looking car, well prepared, nice interior & paint, BUT, it couldn't be driven hard or regularly, as the front suspension & big dia wheels won't allow the car to turn properly. As was stated on this forum, they had trouble moving & turning it, it has no turning circle. In that instance they just become bling jewellery, something nice to look at & yet here everyone is creaming themselves over its engineering!!! it can't turn a circle !!!!. Now if you feel offended by what I've written, I'm sorry, but this is how the movement is viewed from outside your bubble.
Ok, you may not want to race your car, fair enough, so why do you need 800 horsepower?? why do you need bigger brakes?? why do you need better suspension?? you'll never get your car to its limits on the street anyway! If you did decide to race it, you'd find that the Baer brakes et al, you've fitted aren't up to scratch anyways, 'cos inside one lap you'll have fried the road compound pads (as has been mentioned before by those that have tried) racing is TOTALLY different to hard street driving.
Most PT cars are just show queens, sorry, but that's how it's viewed, just as you've scoffed at Pro Street for being trailer queens, the MAJORITY of PT cars are going the same way. The guy that posted this on here was an observer for quite some time, he DOES have a car that he's putting together,
the fact that it isn't on the road, doesn't mean he's not entitled to his views. The fact that a few of you got upset by his posting, to me, seems as if it's a case of "if the shoe fits......"
Incidentally, as Steve says, ....how many board readers here actually have raced their car hard around a circuit?? I don't mean ***** footing it around for a lap ot two, just to say you've been on track,I mean using their car hard??
Incidentally, the AMx's stopping distances aren't that great really considering its set up. My fully street legal, historic race prepped '72 T/Am, using race pads, standard dia front discs, race rear shoes & standard drums would stop from 60-0 in 99.3 feet. My friends similarly equipped '69 Mustang race car does it even better, in 98.75 feet. Oh & they are quicker than Evo8's, Imprezas, Ultimas & TVR's around Silverstone race circuit.
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