Lateral-G Open Challange Event

[XcYZ]

Sounds like this is something we can go over in detail at the Lateral-g get together at Sandlin's during SEMA. In the mean time, I'm going to make some phone calls...

[Damn True]

Hmm, I went to H.S. with Scott Pruett and see his folks from time to time.............nevermind, I haven't even started my car.

This is such a freakin great idea! ....and for the vendors, a fantastic opportunity to gain some noteriety for their particular "system".

[Derek69SS]

Originally Posted by Musclerodz

Bolt-ons meaning parts that are parts sold to the public. Parts from DSE, ATS, Lateral Dynamics (you to), 21st Century, Wayne Due. Sure not everything is "direct" bolt on and some fabrication may be required, but it is an engineered and marketed item sold to the public. One off homebuilt stuff not allowed even it is bolt on.

I agree to a point, but I think a "bolt-on" would have to bolt to the original frame or subframe. If Art Morrison built a full C6 vette chassis for a chevelle, I couldn't set my body on that frame and call it a "bolt-on". To me, a bolt-on suspension would retain the stock frame/subframe with minor mods and strengthening allowed, and anything goes as far as what's bolted to it such as control arms, spindles, brakes, etc.

Also, All cars should run the same street tires and chassis settings throughout the competition.
*edit for clarification* allow any street legal tire you want, but can't change tires for different competitions. You use the same 4 tires for the entire event... choose wisely, they need to perform in all aspects; drags, cornering, and ride quality.

I'd like to see something set up like RSE, but do it like this:

Car Show - 10% of the points - judge fit, finish, quality, etc. don't judge styling, that's too subjective, so a well done Gremlin with a plaid interior rolling on Keystones can score better than a poorer quality but tasteful '69 camaro

50 mile drive - 30% of total points - points taken for items that don't work, such as wipers, radio, etc. 2 points taken for each gallon of gas used. Judges ride with (and take turns in each car) scoring their ride quality, noise levels, and comfort. Take interstate, costant speed of 70mph

1/4 mile drag-race - 30% of points - scores based on the average of your best 2 of 3 runs.

Road Course - 30% of points - scores based on the average of your best 2 of 10 laps.

If you don't compete in one competition, you get 0 points for it. If you break down, or don't finish one of the competitions, you get 0 points, and are DQ'd for points in the remaining competitions.

The points system would be just a way to make some interesting magazine coverage, the real purpose of the event is to meet, have fun, and see how your car performs compared to some other members' cars.

[Payton King]

This post is getting long and I don't remember who stated it, but I like the "run what'cha brung" event. Sure there will be bragging rights, but really no need to seperate the cars. How many do you think are going to be complete and ready to roll? I will be more than happy to run my car against a 800 or 1000 hp forced induction car and if I get my butt handed to me, then I either need driving lessons, a better set up on my car or more HP. I can live with that. Rank them top to bottom and it will give you something to aspire to next year.

As far as drivers go, I would rather take my car out and enjoy it with my no driving ass, than have some hired gun flog the pee out of all my hard work. If someone is going to tear up my car I would rather it be me.(me breaking something is not in the master plan, however things do happen when you drive fast)

Never the less, If my car is finished I will do all I can to be at the event however it is set up.

[evilzee28]

Originally Posted by Derek69SS

I agree to a point, but I think a "bolt-on" would have to bolt to the original frame or subframe. If Art Morrison built a full C6 vette chassis for a chevelle, I couldn't set my body on that frame and call it a "bolt-on". To me, a bolt-on suspension would retain the stock frame/subframe with minor mods and strengthening allowed, and anything goes as far as what's bolted to it such as control arms, spindles, brakes, etc.

Also, All cars should run the same street tires and chassis settings throughout the competition.
*edit for clarification* allow any street legal tire you want, but can't change tires for different competitions. You use the same 4 tires for the entire event... choose wisely, they need to perform in all aspects; drags, cornering, and ride quality.

I'd like to see something set up like RSE, but do it like this:

Car Show - 10% of the points - judge fit, finish, quality, etc. don't judge styling, that's too subjective, so a well done Gremlin with a plaid interior rolling on Keystones can score better than a poorer quality but tasteful '69 camaro

50 mile drive - 30% of total points - points taken for items that don't work, such as wipers, radio, etc. 2 points taken for each gallon of gas used. Judges ride with (and take turns in each car) scoring their ride quality, noise levels, and comfort. Take interstate, costant speed of 70mph

1/4 mile drag-race - 30% of points - scores based on the average of your best 2 of 3 runs.

Road Course - 30% of points - scores based on the average of your best 2 of 10 laps.

If you don't compete in one competition, you get 0 points for it. If you break down, or don't finish one of the competitions, you get 0 points, and are DQ'd for points in the remaining competitions.

The points system would be just a way to make some interesting magazine coverage, the real purpose of the event is to meet, have fun, and see how your car performs compared to some other members' cars.

Sorry, but all that's gonna happen is make this all waaaaay too comlpicated, just keep it simple, these aren't race cars, they're YOUR street driven pride & joys. Run what ya brung!! You can't differenciate between bolt on & non bolt on 'cos then you gotta differentiate between engine size, tyre size, wheel tub size, suspension upgrades,wheel size, brake size, vehicle weight etc etc, where does it all end ??? Besides the great leveller is the big nut behind the steering wheel .You might have THE best set up car in the world, with ALL the bits, but you might get blown away by a car with next to no bits but with a hotshoe behind the wheel!!............Keep it simple, this is supposed to be a fun thing, it doesn't matter if you don't win 'cos the other guys got bigger, better faster this that 'n the other !!

As to the car show thing for points, this is REALLY a personal subjective thing & wouldn't work & could cause an AWFUL lot of bad feeling, same applies to the judges taking turns to ride & find out ride qualities, wind noise etc, who cares ???? It's YOUR pride & joy no one elses!! For this to work you gotta look at why you're doing it........because you wanna have some fun & see what YOUR car will do,.... period !!!, You can't compare cars' performances 'cos there are just TOO many variables & you'll never know if it's your, brakes, suspension or whatever that make the difference. The only way to ascertain what works best on a car is to change one component on your car at a time, but of course we can't do that can we?? So treat it for what it is, to show the world what YOUR car can do, all in a Run What Ya Brung way, just hope you've brought enough !!!

[evilzee28]

Originally Posted by Payton King

This post is getting long and I don't remember who stated it, but I like the "run what'cha brung" event. Sure there will be bragging rights, but really no need to seperate the cars. How many do you think are going to be complete and ready to roll? I will be more than happy to run my car against a 800 or 1000 hp forced induction car and if I get my butt handed to me, then I either need driving lessons, a better set up on my car or more HP. I can live with that. Rank them top to bottom and it will give you something to aspire to next year.

As far as drivers go, I would rather take my car out and enjoy it with my no driving ass, than have some hired gun flog the pee out of all my hard work. If someone is going to tear up my car I would rather it be me.(me breaking something is not in the master plan, however things do happen when you drive fast)

Never the less, If my car is finished I will do all I can to be at the event however it is set up.

couldn't agree more!!!

[Steve Chryssos]

Will there be a penalty box? I can already see myself being sent to the corner.

[Payton King]

Yea we can have a penalty box...staffed with the local Hooter girls. I think someone has not been playing very nice and needs a spankin'....oh,oh,me,me!

[69rs]

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

Will there be a penalty box? I can already see myself being sent to the corner.

Yeah, c'mon in. I'll save ya a spot!

[Derek69SS]

Originally Posted by evilzee28

Sorry, but all that's gonna happen is make this all waaaaay too comlpicated, just keep it simple, these aren't race cars, they're YOUR street driven pride & joys. Run what ya brung!!

Yes, which is why I wrote this:

Originally Posted by Derek69SS

The points system would be just a way to make some interesting magazine coverage, the real purpose of the event is to meet, have fun, and see how your car performs compared to some other members' cars.

IMHO, There has to be some sort of "winner" for the readers to read about, and a way for the magazine to determine a winner. I'm no magazine marketing expert, but I don't think an article about a bunch of guys getting together and racing will attract as many readers as something like CC's RSE competition.