Put up or shut up..... bench racers! - Page 6 - Lateral-g Forums

**Steve Chryssos** · #51 12-19-2005, 08:25 AM

No. I'm being realistic. It is rude to come into someone else's house and suggest that they spend their money to throw a party. It just doesn't work that way. An event happens when ONE individual steps up to promote the event. That will require fronting the cash to rent a track, rent some equipment, provide concessions and organize the entire affair. Event promotion is complex and costly. When all is said and done, that promoter will assume risk based on turnout. Turnout is dependent on outside variable such as weather.
So the question is not "Why don't you guys organize an event?" The question is: "Who will accept the risk and responsibility to host the event?" Shall we insist that some of our well-to-do members step forward? No. They have to offer. We cannot demand it of them. That's just common courtesy.

Furthermore, it is presumptuous to claim that track time is not happening just because there is no "Official Lateral-g.net" track day. Bill Howell generously sponsored an event. Vince Ortega generously sponsored an event. And let's not forget the SCCA. I don't need an official event because I am happy to participate in my local SCCA sponsored grassroots programs. We can't stomp our feet and whine like children to make events happen. They're happening anyway. Just get involved. And if you don't like the available offerings, STEP UP! Make it happen!

So I will reiterate my point: One thread or message board is not the end all to performance verification.

**Stuart Adams** · #52 12-19-2005, 09:50 AM

I agree.

Come on man Step up , come on, come on, oh please would you for all us posers. We can't do it ourselves, please, oh please, come on, come on.

Rent the track, take care of insurance, get us a deal on rooms, get equipment that can document the findings YOU want from our cars, because YOUR car won't be participating, right.

You state "that was 4 days ago" - well that seems like plenty of time for YOU to get something in the works, ya think.

A little lesson: It's not what ya say its how you say it. If the original post would have been done with class and not bash, and your post would have had some class to it maybe it would be a civil discussion. But people are not going to get behind an event with rude, classless people behind it, period. We all build different cars for different reasons.

Speedster · #53 12-19-2005, 10:26 AM

Steve and Stuart... You hit the nail on the head.
It's easy to spend other people's money or require them to "use" their car. It is quite a bit different if it is your own at risk.
-Bruce

evilzee28 · #54 12-19-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

I agree.

Come on man Step up , come on, come on, oh please would you for all us posers. We can't do it ourselves, please, oh please, come on, come on.

Rent the track, take care of insurance, get us a deal on rooms, get equipment that can document the findings YOU want from our cars, because YOUR car won't be participating, right.

You state "that was 4 days ago" - well that seems like plenty of time for YOU to get something in the works, ya think.

A little lesson: It's not what ya say its how you say it. If the original post would have been done with class and not bash, and your post would have had some class to it maybe it would be a civil discussion. But people are not going to get behind an event with rude, classless people behind it, period. We all build different cars for different reasons.

Jeez, you have bad attitude dont ya??? Sarcasm, is the lowest form of wit!! Cant you take some home truths once in a while, does the sun only shine out of your butt?? You're forgetting, I don't live in your country, is your attitude typical of Americans?

Whats the matter, don't you like constructive criticism?? This is an open forum, where people can voice their thoughts & opinions. Whether or not you agree with them is irrelevant!! They were someones opinions, just as you have yours, but there's no need to rip into him or me is there. This is just like a back patters association, it's ok if you agree with everyone, but as soon as someone questions the motives behind what you're doing you go off on one.

Don't you people have track days?? you turn up with your car, sign the disclaimer & run it!! Why do you need concession stands & all of the other crap that goes with it. Deal with your own rooms,sort out your own insurance, whats the matter can't you deal with that or is that beyond you. You couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery! Oh & by the way, what says you have class & others don't, look outside the bubble & see that there's a real world out there, where there are more important issues as to whether to spend $1000.00 on a hinge.

The sun doesn't just shine on the "supposed land of the free" ............Get a life!!!!!!

it'll be interesting to see how long this is left up before being deleted because it isn't pro American,& how much of a slagging I get for posting it by you civilised Americans. time starts now....

evilzee28 · #55 12-19-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedster

Steve and Stuart... You hit the nail on the head.
It's easy to spend other people's money or require them to "use" their car. It is quite a bit different if it is your own at risk.
-Bruce

EXACTLY, people are afraid to "use" their cars in case they get dirty, so why do you all need the bragging rights of big engines, wild suspension & brakes when all the car is gonna do is hold down grass at a show. Whoopey do!!

All show, no go!

TravisB · #56 12-19-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by evilzee28

............Get a life!!!!!!

actually we would all be better off if you did!

**XcYZ** · #57 12-19-2005, 11:23 AM

A little upset are we?

Everyone has different ideas what should be done with their cars. Some people race them, some people show them, some do both. Why are you so bent on proving that you're right and everyone else's ideas or intentions are wrong? Sounds like sour grapes to me - can't have it your way so it must suck, right?

**Steve Chryssos** · #58 12-19-2005, 11:50 AM

Nigel,
Was my post in any way directed as a personal affront to you or your country? If you don't like Stuart's tone, simply add him to your Ignore List. Rather than bounce off the rev limiter, please address my post.

Here: We will use you as an example. From your posts, I can only assume that you are an active vintage racer and industry professional. You are a participant. You are involved. Yet, I don't recall you posting any performance data or pictures of your endeavors. So am I to assume that the efforts don't exist? Just because no proof has been posted on a message board? No. So why would you or anyone else make the same assumption?

From your posts, I would guess that you race often. That tomorrow's race is no big deal. That there is no reason to make a big to-do about it. So every time I read one of these types of threads, I laugh at the thread starter's presumption. They're always looking for the same thing: A message board sponsored, highly publicized event. Somehow, anything less or different is unacceptible.

I know that the cars ARE being used and that a branded event is wholly unreasonable and unrealistic. I think you know it as well.

**Stuart Adams** · #59 12-19-2005, 11:50 AM

Evil, I hope the post is left up, it just shows who YOU really are.

I'm REAL glad to be an American.

Have a good one, taking your meds right?

**V8TV** · #60 12-19-2005, 09:40 PM

High dollar event or not, (although it seem that anything would be high-dollar, as soon as the liability insurance and safety crews are figured in...) we're game to shoot cool cars throwin' down the numbers. Even if there is no "vs." element... I just think it would be cool to show how a properly tuned '60's musclecar stands up to a $50k+ high tech new performance car.

Hmm... after typing that last sentence, the thought crosses me mind... does it take a $50k+ musclecar to match a $50k+ late model performance car?