1969 Camaro Project questions - Page 6 - Lateral-g Forums

cjsgarage · #51 04-15-2016, 03:33 AM

Of change-of-plans project creep. Sometimes the car just takes long enough to build that you change your mind on brakes or radiator or fan setup or something and it ends up taking a whole bunch of other items down with it. Brakes might affect spindle.. Fans might affect computer and wiring. Radiator might interfere with the a/c condenser or cooler lines or whatever it is. So many times, one revision has led to many hours backtracking.

**GregWeld** · #52 04-15-2016, 06:34 AM

What you asked for was peoples opinions on what a job should cost.... and that's what you got. You then went from "is this correct" to "I think it should be half that amount" <quotes are mine>. That immediately tells me a lot about you. You claim the shop that gave you the bid is "reputable" - yet you don't trust them, because you came on here questioning their bid and claiming you should be able to get it done in far less time.

A) You don't have a clue

B) You can't afford to have the work done

C) You really didn't want peoples opinions, you just wanted someone to agree with your clueless guess, and you didn't get it.

ironworks · #53 04-15-2016, 07:26 AM

Apparently people ask a question they really didn't want an answer for. Welcome to the internet.

Do these jeans make my butt look big? Nope you Great Big Giant Ass makes your butt look big. The jeans have nothing to do with that.

I have come to the conclusion that people just have to experience the process for themselves. The car hobby is a hobby that people really want to look knowledge able and think they understand it as some form of self confidence and some sort of common sense. But there are so many different facets of cars and construction that there really are no "proven" techniques to learn some where, you just have to really be smart enough to see how one issue will affect 10 others and make the best compromise. And be slick enough to pull it all together in a nice package in the end.

One 2 cent Butt connector and ruin a half million dollar pile of parts that is no fun to drive or have it even work. The details matter the most, and until some one realizes that, its all for not.

rebelceb · #54 04-15-2016, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

What you asked for was peoples opinions on what a job should cost.... and that's what you got. You then went from "is this correct" to "I think it should be half that amount" <quotes are mine>. That immediately tells me a lot about you. You claim the shop that gave you the bid is "reputable" - yet you don't trust them, because you came on here questioning their bid and claiming you should be able to get it done in far less time.

A) You don't have a clue

B) You can't afford to have the work done

C) You really didn't want peoples opinions, you just wanted someone to agree with your clueless guess, and you didn't get it.

You have obviously misunderstood me somewhere along the way. I do know that the shop is reputable, but I don't think blindly trusting someone with ~$100k is smart in anyone's book. A little confirmation and checking goes a long way, particularly the first time doing business with someone, regardless of their reputation. Ever heard the quote,"Never trust nobody!"?

A) I absolutely have a clue.

B) I'm pretty sure I know what I can afford. I can afford to do whatever I want with the car, but I'm also smart enough (and have enough of a clue) to know that I don't want to be wasteful in spending a bunch of unnecessary money just because some guy on an internet forum told me I should.

C)I do want people's opinions, that's why I asked. I wanted to know if I was off base and have had confirmation from a few that his number was on the high end, and that mine may have been on the low end. You have not given me any of the answer I sought. You've done nothing but attempt to belittle me and pound your chest when you in reality don't have a ****ing clue who I am or what I'm about.

rebelceb · #55 04-15-2016, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks

Apparently people ask a question they really didn't want an answer for. Welcome to the internet.

Do these jeans make my butt look big? Nope you Great Big Giant Ass makes your butt look big. The jeans have nothing to do with that.

I have come to the conclusion that people just have to experience the process for themselves. The car hobby is a hobby that people really want to look knowledge able and think they understand it as some form of self confidence and some sort of common sense. But there are so many different facets of cars and construction that there really are no "proven" techniques to learn some where, you just have to really be smart enough to see how one issue will affect 10 others and make the best compromise. And be slick enough to pull it all together in a nice package in the end.

One 2 cent Butt connector and ruin a half million dollar pile of parts that is no fun to drive or have it even work. The details matter the most, and until some one realizes that, its all for not.

You obviously have also misunderstood me. I'm not wanting to reinvent the wheel here. Yes it will take wiring, and running brake lines, etc etc, but 90% of what I am asking for is fitting or bolting parts in or on. Yes there's some welding, but I'm not asking for a bunch of custom one-off pieces that a lot of guys get into. I'm wanting the same stuff done to this car that most shops have the capacity to do and have done multiple times per year.

Blake Foster · #56 04-15-2016, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

Perfect!!! And I'm liven it!

SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!

ironworks · #57 04-15-2016, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rebelceb

You obviously have also misunderstood me. I'm not wanting to reinvent the wheel here. Yes it will take wiring, and running brake lines, etc etc, but 90% of what I am asking for is fitting or bolting parts in or on. Yes there's some welding, but I'm not asking for a bunch of custom one-off pieces that a lot of guys get into. I'm wanting the same stuff done to this car that most shops have the capacity to do and have done multiple times per year.

Buddy your getting awesome advice from some of the most well versed people on this site and telling them you think its different.

I get a call from a guy asking about what your asking all the time. I'm sure these other guys do. Your putting people down who are not telling you want you want to hear.

The project is a lot bigger then you even realize whether you choose to admit it or not. I hate these threads and for some reason I have tried to educate you. Almost half the calls we get for work are from guys just like you that went to another shop and now need another shop to fix what the other shop said they could do for X price.

Good luck, I hope you make all of us look wrong.

Che70velle · #58 04-15-2016, 09:01 AM

Rebelceb, no one here is trying to belittle you here. The reason that I spend my time here is because this site is full of educated, experienced, welcoming, fun-spirited folks, who freely offer advice when asked, and don't pick apart peoples rides when they have built them the way that they wanted. It truly is THE best performance car forum on the net.
There have been a couple of these "what's my $100k car really gonna cost me?" threads pop up, since I've been around and they don't ever get anywhere. You've gotten sound advice here, from some of the biggest names in the business.
You can always try what I did with my Chevelle. Truthfully, I don't have an extra $100k to blow on a car, so I did all my work myself, except spray the outside of the car, and an alignment. I also had an upholsterer stitch up my tunnel cover, but besides that it was all me. It took me over 4 years, which I know your not wanting to wait for, but that's what it took. I work alone, because I want to, not because I have to. I have under $40k in my car, and it's nice. It's a driver and that's what I set out to build. In fact, I'm going to pick my son up from school in a couple hours on it. I'm just trying to give you an option here, because shop labor is money. The type of build your wanting to do, which is pretty common here on LatG, will be lots of shop labor money. Nothing you can do about it, if you want it nicely done, unless you do it yourself.
If a 69 Camaro built the way your wanting yours built costed $60k EVERYBODY would own one.

Musclerodz · #59 04-15-2016, 02:02 PM

3....2....1....

dontlifttoshift · #60 04-15-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rebelceb

My thought was that it was closer to 300-350 hours worth of work.

Out of sheer curiosity, how did you determine this number? What background do you have that allows you to make this estimate?

I'm not trying to bait you into an argument, I genuinely want to know why you think that it should take that amount of hours.