Art Morrison vs Detroit Speed.

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by carbuff

Thanx Todd... I know I've seen more than one person bring it up before, so is the problem that people don't know how to do it, or that special tools are required? When I first heard this, it became a big red flag to me, so debunking the myth (for me at least) would be great!

The DSE coilover conversion for the stock subframe requires that you break a ball joint loose for adjustment. That may be the source of the confusion.

[CraigMorrison]

Originally Posted by jcal87

So I emailed the 2 company's with some questions on pricing and what not and AME sent me back an auto reply and DSE actually took the time to write me back which means a lot to me as for as customer service goes especially if I am going to be spending that kind of money.Now my decision is back up in the air but now that AME decided to blow me off I'm leaning towards DSE.Does anyone know what the differences are in ride height,backspacing,and max tire wheel size, bolt pattern etc.

Jcal- I am sorry that you felt that we blew you off. Could you please forward me (PM or e-mail me) the response that our sales staff sent to you. I would like to have a look at it so I can make the necessary changes with how our sales guys deal with e-mail responses. Thank you.

Kyle and I have joked about this and its the #1 question we get at shows. He gets guys with AME catalogs in hand asking why his is better and we get guys with the purple catalogs asking why ours is better. We both use the same rack, upright and suspension analysis program - geometry and driving feel/performance is going to be extremely close so it comes down to which brand you like the best and what "look" you like the best, hydroformed or fabbed. In the end either sub is going to give you an excellent ride and you are going to be very happy with your decision.

[GregWeld]

Well put Craig.... and I think that many of us have tried to say the same. When you get to this quality... you just can't go wrong with either choice. Both companies are pure class operations. There just is no wrong choice here.

[Stuart Adams]

Originally Posted by CraigMorrison

Jcal- I am sorry that you felt that we blew you off. Could you please forward me (PM or e-mail me) the response that our sales staff sent to you. I would like to have a look at it so I can make the necessary changes with how our sales guys deal with e-mail responses. Thank you.

Kyle and I have joked about this and its the #1 question we get at shows. He gets guys with AME catalogs in hand asking why his is better and we get guys with the purple catalogs asking why ours is better. We both use the same rack, upright and suspension analysis program - geometry and driving feel/performance is going to be extremely close so it comes down to which brand you like the best and what "look" you like the best, hydroformed or fabbed. In the end either sub is going to give you an excellent ride and you are going to be very happy with your decision.

Thanks Craig, both companies are awesome and either product will be a great choice. Good discussion, call them and get the piece u want.

[carbuff]

I have one more question on this topic for now if anyone knows...

What are the hub to hub widths on each setup? Without rotors or with? Just wondering how each compares to the stock width.

Thanx!

[JRouche]

Im partial. Guess we will be when the parts are under our car. So... For my opinion I bought a AM rear 4-link clip in 1995. It really was the only thing available, they were the leaders. Easy to follow, and improve, if there is room for improvement.

Lemme say, the frame rails they provide are STOUT!! Dunno if the frames have changed over the years. And what I bought was exactly what I ordered.

Now, a few years forward I decided to change the purpose of the car. Not so much pro-street anymore but more of a nice handling car for the street. Pro tour if that fits. But what was cool is I was able to keep alot of the AM products. And incorporating my stuff to the AM rear clip was painless... Helps when there is a solid platform to work from, and theirs is solid. I have dealt with the customer service a few times over the years. Its comparable to any after market manufactures customer service. Actually some stick out as being above the standard, Air Ride technologies is one.

So I can honestly give a nod to AM, they do provide a good product.. JR

And if yer interested here is a link to my revamp of the rear suspension...
https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=20605

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by carbuff

I have one more question on this topic for now if anyone knows...

What are the hub to hub widths on each setup? Without rotors or with? Just wondering how each compares to the stock width.

Thanx!

You better call the manufacturer for that one.... and I'm thinking they could vary a bit depending on brake choice... big azz Baer or humungus Wilwoods vs ordinary GM. My Wayne Due sub had C5 Vette calipers and big Baer rotors... but I can't remember what the track was - but it would take wider wheels than a stock piece because of the design.

[Silver69Camaro]

Originally Posted by skatinjay27

the second gen stock subframe is leaps above the first gen...
it takes very little to make a 2nd gen handle great!
check out mary pozzi's car it got a stock subframe and leafsprings in the back and constantly runs faster or the same times as cars with aftermarket subframes, 4/3 link suspensions...

I would think that would be because that's her personal car, and it's setup to the way she likes it. I have geometry specs for 2nd gens; frankly, the spindle is just too short. But that's not to say it can't handle well.

[Silver69Camaro]

Originally Posted by carbuff

I have one more question on this topic for now if anyone knows...

What are the hub to hub widths on each setup? Without rotors or with? Just wondering how each compares to the stock width.

Thanx!

If you're talking about first gens, our hub width is a bit over 60-1/2" using stock or Wilwood rotors. 60" is about factory for 67-69, somewhat depending on ride height (there's a fair amount of side scrub on those suspensions).

[MarkM66]

So eight pages later.... did you buy one?