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**camcojb** · #1 01-01-2008, 11:33 AM

well, I've had it.

Just had one of my employees beat up and robbed again last night. This is the sweeper guys, who have to work during the night, sweeping parking lots. And they have to get out of their trucks to blow the curbs and sidewalks, and to change trash bags, and this seems to be when they have problems.

In 19 years we've had a few skirmishes, one truck stolen from the driver, and a few beatings. Haven't had an issue in a while, but last night we did. I'm going to get each of them pepper spray (to hopefully knock down from a distance), and then a stun gun if need be. Looking at the one million volt mini stun guns, easy to carry and plenty of voltage. Any ideas how long the batteries last, or if it's better to get a rechargeable? And if rechargeable and not used, how often does it need to be recharged again? Any recommendations?

Jody

mazspeed · #2 01-01-2008, 12:55 PM

Jody, give me a call. Ill have you chat with my friend who is a security specialist and an ex 20 year military guy. You should talk with him. I'm sorry that this has happened to you guys again.

**Stuart Adams** · #3 01-01-2008, 01:51 PM

That sucks. F ing people, wish you could carry a 44 mag. and blow em away.

awr68 · #4 01-01-2008, 03:04 PM

Sorry to hear this Jody, it's bad enough they have to work nights but to be scared to get out and do their job just isn't right! Tell him we hope for a speedy recovery! Do what you have to!!

mazspeed · #5 01-01-2008, 03:40 PM

Hey Jody, I just talked to my buddy and he was worried about the law suits that could happen via tazers. Pepper spray is considered non lethal and you could not be sued if you provided this protection for your employee's, but with tazers you could be sued and or your business could be sued by the family of the person who was tazered in the event that he died during the event of being tazered. He also said that if your guys wanted to buy themselves knifes, and proved that THEY bought them and not you, then that would be a way for you to not have liability in case someone was stabbed in self defense. But he was leary about that because it would have happened on company time. He said that you should consult your insurance company and a business lawyer to determine if this is legal and if they could carry knifes. Some are legal and some are not. I think having someone show them how to use and or carry pepper spray would be the way to go. It's cool that you look out after your guys, I wish more people-company's cared as much as you do about the guys who work for you.

lil427z · #6 01-01-2008, 04:18 PM

jody , get them guns. the bad guys have them.
rick k

tyoneal · #7 01-01-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mazspeed

Hey Jody, I just talked to my buddy and he was worried about the law suits that could happen via tazers. Pepper spray is considered non lethal and you could not be sued if you provided this protection for your employee's, but with tazers you could be sued and or your business could be sued by the family of the person who was tazered in the event that he died during the event of being tazered. He also said that if your guys wanted to buy themselves knifes, and proved that THEY bought them and not you, then that would be a way for you to not have liability in case someone was stabbed in self defense. But he was leary about that because it would have happened on company time. He said that you should consult your insurance company and a business lawyer to determine if this is legal and if they could carry knifes. Some are legal and some are not. I think having someone show them how to use and or carry pepper spray would be the way to go. It's cool that you look out after your guys, I wish more people-company's cared as much as you do about the guys who work for you.

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I feel for you all in, "The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia".

The employee needs to have, "His Own Idea", go buy a pistol, wait five days, pick it up and have the means to defend himself properly after hours. They are sitting ducks with anything less than that. Most of the time the bad guys will leave if they know you have the means to fight back, and you don't even need to fire your gun. If the bad guys do intend on killing you, without a gun, getting in trouble with the cops will be the least of your problems.

In the meantime you put in the employee handbook explicitly forbidding any weapons on the job. Make everyone sign a copy of this new rule acknowledging that they have read and understood it, and know it is your policy under penalty of immediate job termination for them to posses ANY type of weapon while on the clock, or on your property.

Your cleared, they can do their job with getting the crap bet out of them, and the bad guys can go hassle someone else.

I'm sorry this sounds so, "Cowboy", but each person has to decide whether they are going to be a possible victem, or are going to take responsibility for their own safety. It's as simple as that.

It works pretty good here in Texas.

Ty

As they say here if you carry and don't have your carry permit, "It's better to be tried by twelve, than carried by six".

mazspeed · #8 01-01-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tyoneal

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I feel for you all in, "The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia".

The employee needs to have, "His Own Idea", go buy a pistol, wait five days, pick it up and have the means to defend himself properly after hours. They are sitting ducks with anything less than that. Most of the time the bad guys will leave if they know you have the means to fight back, and you don't even need to fire your gun. If the bad guys do intend on killing you, without a gun, getting in trouble with the cops will be the least of your problems.

In the meantime you put in the employee handbook explicitly forbidding any weapons on the job. Make everyone sign a copy of this new rule acknowledging that they have read and understood it, and know it is your policy under penalty of immediate job termination for them to posses ANY type of weapon while on the clock, or on your property.

Your cleared, they can do their job with getting the crap bet out of them, and the bad guys can go hassle someone else.

I'm sorry this sounds so, "Cowboy", but each person has to decide whether they are going to be a possible victem, or are going to take responsibility for their own safety. It's as simple as that.

It works pretty good here in Texas.

Ty

As they say here if you carry and don't have your carry permit, "It's better to be tried by twelve, than carried by six".

Only if it was that easy Ty, but none of that would fly in California. Texas is a better state, and I wish it was like that here, but you can only carry your gun place to place in a locked box in your car with your ammo being in a different place in the car. The only way you could carry a side arm for a civilian is too have a special license granted by the state, showing just cause of why you need such a weapon. It's very rare and very hard to get. In Texas you can shoot and kill robbers coming out of your neighbors house and not have to answer for it. There is just too many laws in this state that just don't make any sence for the average person for personal protection.

70 chevelle · #9 01-01-2008, 06:59 PM

What would it take to change their job title to security? I'm sure it's not easy but their has to be a loop hole somewhere, there always is. Just an idea. Good luck.

**Spiffav8** · #10 01-01-2008, 07:21 PM

My wife works for the Police department here in Vegas and she suggests that you contact the local police department. They might be able to help.

While I understand the desire to arm your people, you could be getting into some serious hot water. It would suck but an armed guard on the job site or more than one guy in the truck might be the safest way to protect your people. In the long run it might also be the cheapest.