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Old 06-24-2009, 11:11 AM
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Back in the day, race cars and street cars were distinct and mutually exclusive. And the vehicle owners were equally different. For example, a race car dude would buy a set of custom BRC high or low silicon pistons with a 10cc dish or dome and a 1.395 pin location, while a street car enthusiast would buy a set of shelf stock TRW pistons and erroneously label them as 9.5:1's, or 12:1's. Racers called hot rodders "street squirrels" or "street strokes".

Times have changed. There exists a segment of the hot rod world that is technically savvy. It's people with an understanding of chassis dynamics and engine tuning. It's a segment that can hold it's own on a race track while still enjoying seat-time on the street. It's a segment that shares wide crossover with race car brands--be it brakes or safety equipment. That segment is called Pro-Touring.

Most people and businesses still don't get pro-touring. In their world, the 15" Cragar SS and Holley 600 cfm/tunnel ram combo still reigns supreme. But one company--Lane Automotive, Inc. and its division Motor State Distributing has the guts and the vision to step up and grab the brass ring that is the pro-touring market.

And when Lane Automotive steps up, they go big! There were fire engines and police vehicles blocking intersections for the cruise procession. As we approached our cruise destination, a police escort led the way. At Gingerman, Lane Automotive employed the services of the South Bend SCCA. Efficient scheduling ensured that all participants received ample track time. Timing and scoring went off without a hitch. The PA system worked and the announcer was freakin' hilarious. Spectators were kept abreast of results at all times.
The autocross was another example of logistical efficiency. Apparently, the SCCA people have done this sort of thing before. Ditto on Motor States in-house event registration and contingency planning.

We didn't do so bad ourselves. I have never EVER seen hot rods pushed to such extremes. For example, my right rear brake pad completely vaporized at Gingerman. It's just gone! There are dozens of war stories. Three engines expired--One of them a complete meltdown. Numerous cars exceeded their traction limits and "got all four wheels off". Performance limits were explored in a safe, controlled environment. Kyle Tucker would have been in the hunt except that a broken battery mount torpedoed his Shootout time. So mechanical failure came into play just like at any race. The Motor State Challenge looked, sounded, smelled and felt like a true race. There is no longer any doubt that these cars possess supercar performance. Zero doubt.

I volunteered as technical director to scratch a long standing itch. I wanted to engineer an event that encompasses the best features of all previous events. So the inaugural MSC combined a road course Shootout like the Optima Challenge with Goodguys autocross and a Run Thru The Hills atmosphere including a 60 mile cruise and barbecue. Car shows and hangouts were inevitable--in the paddock, at the cruise destination and all night long in the host hotel parking lot. Two classes, Touring and Time Trial, accommodated a variety of build types and driver skill levels.

And the inaugural MSC was super competitive. The margin of victory between 1st and 2nd place (all inclusive on 100 TW tires) was a mere .123 seconds. That's positively mind blowing! Not bad for a buncha "street strokes". (sic) Drama surrounding our 100 Tread Wear Tire Rule fizzed out. Boy am I glad. The fastest car driven by Ryan Matthews at DSE ran 300 TW BFG KDW's, the 2nd fastest car driven by Mark Stielow ran 220 TW Michelin PS2's and the 3rd place car driven by Jake Parrott at Jake's Rod Shop ran 100 TW Toyo R triple 8's. Enthusiasts were allowed to pick tires that made them feel safe and comfortable on track. That was the intention. Drivers like Ryan Matthews, Mark Stielow, Jake Parrott and David Pozzi can be fast even if they're driving Fred Flintstone's hot rod.

But the general consensus is that you did not need a competitive car or a ton of experience to thoroughly enjoy the Motor State Challenge. As event promotors, our primary goal is to inspire enthusiasts to finish cars and use them to their fullest potential. Get it done and drive it. That core philosophy is good for everyone--enthusiasts and vendors alike. Along the way, we are happy to enlighten anyone who thinks that pro-touring is soft or insignificant. Our cars do everything well.

Pictures and words cannot fully describe what we witnessed last weekend, but here it is: The Motor State Challenge represents a milestone in hot rod history where pro-touring cars aggressively competed and looked good doing it. Does that sound too strong? If you were there, you would agree. I can't say it any other way.

Here are the final standings:
Time Trial class standings are based on road course Shootout times plus fastest autocross times. Entrants were required to participate in the 60 mile cruise as well.
Touring class standings are based on participation in cruise and road course segments as well as timed results from the autocross. Vendors (aftermarket manufacturers and dealers) were excluded from receipt of trophies and awards as were event organizers and late model vehicles.

Special mention goes to Scott Wahlstrom and Chad Higdon from Lane Automotive, Inc. / Motor State (for their vision); Jeff Luckritz from the South Bend Region of the SCCA (for meeting our complex goals and putting up with me); Bill Howell (for starting all of this five years ago) and Baer Brakes (for keeping spare brake pads in their hotel room).
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Old 06-24-2009, 11:38 AM
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So our numbers were off and David Pozzi really came in second? (he was handed 3rd at the event)

Great event by the way.. count us in for covering it next year!

My only suggestion would be that you have an official "vendor class" so that the vendors/etc can get the credit they deserve.


One mistake though.. you have my best autocross time wrong. It was a 30.698.
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It should also be noted that the only reason Kyle Tucker is so low is that his battery came loose in the shoot-out and killed his time.. there should be a "hard luck" trophy for the vendors.
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I have Dave's trophy and visa versa.

Well I cant express how happy I am to actually place in such stiff competition. Steve next year you'll bring the right brake pads and I'll cure my clutch and full throttle issues.
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I have Dave's trophy and visa versa.

Well I cant express how happy I am to actually place in such stiff competition. Steve next year you'll bring the right brake pads and I'll cure my clutch and full throttle issues.
Will do. Yeah, These are official times. They were emailed to me by the SCCA folks after the event close.

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I'll fix your Auto-x times tonight or tomorrow. It's an excel file turned pdf file turned jpeg, so the process is lengthy.

I really want a vendor class, but it is difficult to nail down the gray area. Pro vs Joe is more accurate than vendor vs enthusiast. Some enthusiasts have access to special resources that yield an advantage. DSE, Twist, Air Ride, etc. are obviously all vendors, but some connected participants are less conspicuous. The class also needs to include event organizers to avoid conflict of interest. We should NOT, in my opinion, penalize anyone based on their driving experience except for paid professionals. If we can find a tactful, tasteful way to print up a Pro category guideline, it will happen.
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I have Dave's trophy and visa versa.

Well I cant express how happy I am to actually place in such stiff competition. Steve next year you'll bring the right brake pads and I'll cure my clutch and full throttle issues.
Your car is bad ass.. the fact that you could hang with the "high dollar" stuff in your budget car says a lot about your driving skills and your Camaro.

Working on the brakes and shocks already.. very happy with our sway bar choice, just have to tune now.

Rematch next year?
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I think I have Matt Altamore's gift certificate for 3rd place. It looks like I finished 5th and not 3rd. It is somewhere in the car. When the car gets back here I can mail it to you Matt.
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I really want a vendor class, but it is difficult to nail down the gray area. Pro vs Joe is more accurate than vendor vs enthusiast. Some enthusiasts have access to special resources that yield an advantage. DSE, Twist, Air Ride, etc. are obviously all vendors, but some connected participants are less conspicuous. The class also needs to include event organizers to avoid conflict of interest. We should NOT, in my opinion, penalize anyone based on their driving experience except for paid professionals. If we can find a tactful, tasteful way to print up a Pro category guideline, it will happen.
I like the pro vs joe deal.. It would just be extra cool if companies like DSE, Jakes, and Roadster Shop had trophies to vie for as well.

Again, great event - count me in for next year (although I might have to borrow a car.. lol)
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It's great that these events are growing and we all should be thankful for the time and money that vendors/people put forth. It does inspire some us to get our junk going.

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I really want a vendor class, but it is difficult to nail down the gray area. Pro vs Joe is more accurate than vendor vs enthusiast.
I agree this is hard to determine. I understand that dividing these things might make it more appealing for people to enter but I don't agree with that. This might spark debate but it's not my intention, rather just how I view it as an outsider. I say throw out all the Vendor, pro etc. out the window and bring your best to the track. Keep the class car guidelines and tire requirements and insert your driver if you choose so and go for it. If you loose go get better. If you win go get better again because somebody is coming for you. I look it at the list and I know if I was there with my car I would be at the bottom of the list... period. I also know that I would have had a huge grin. I would have left with a reference point on how I measure up and a future goal. If I can't beat a vendor/pro so what. And really to look further the top two non-vendor cars were piloted by guy's that are our leaders if you will (Perhaps a Pro Class?). I respect and admire both of them although I have only met Pozzi and not Mark. I would also think they both likely have Comp. Lic.'s ? Maybe I am wrong as I don't know for sure but my point is don't handicap them or the Vendors for that. I think if there was a mass turn out of cars for a pro touring event then maybe a divided class is more valid but for 30 cars let it all hang out. In the end we can all read between the lines and I sure that's how all the competitors look at anyway.

Sorry for the hi-jack. Keep up the great work
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I think I have Matt Altamore's gift certificate for 3rd place. It looks like I finished 5th and not 3rd. It is somewhere in the car. When the car gets back here I can mail it to you Matt.
I'm pretty sure Pozzi got the third place packet.. or are you talking about just the autocross?

Steveo,
Could you also include car #24 (actually #124) in your matrix. It was Yancy's 5th gen driven by Nick Licata. That way I have the data for the story. His best road course (shootout) was 1:42.770 and his best autocross was 31.127.

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