Aerogel??

[LateralJeaz]

Long time lurker, and finally I couldn't resist. So....lets talk aerogel. Anyone know a solid source? I've emailed a few companies but have had no replies yet. Obviously the c7 has it on the trans tunnel. I assume it would be super temp effective (albeit maybe not cost effective) to use it in a dynamat type fashion? Maybe even wrap a turbo or two? Be gentle with me, I'm not an engineer. Thanks! Looking forward to being a part of the community!

[waynieZ]

I don't have an answer for you but, Welcome to Lat-g!

[spacepirate]

Have you tried this site?

http://www.buyaerogel.com/

[LateralJeaz]

Thanks Wayne! I've got some cool stuff in the works, Should fit right in here!! I did email that company along with the other few I found via the basics searches, but no one has gotten back to me..

[preston]

I have included an email I received from a company back in 2010 where I bought a roll (4*8 ?) of 1/4" thick areogel insulation. The aerogel they show on the internet videos is some kind of magical intricate sponge like substance, but this stuff appears similar to normal insulation, although it has a very chalky feel to it and sheds a lot of "dust". Although I ran no scientific tests it is a very good insulator however it was very difficult to package and use. It has to be encapsulated as it absorbs oil and moisture and leaves a lot of residue. Its also very thick and bulky to try to wrap around things. A transmission tunnel, sure, but I wanted to build turbo shields and stuff out of it. I did manage to wrap exhaust pipes with it using hose clamps, and then encapsulated it with normal exhaust wrap, but I ended up with a 4+" thick tar baby. However it has held up even on rocker mounted exhaust that sees the elements. At the same time it wasn't magic, the rockers still get quite warm however you can pull in the driveway and touch the pipe for several seconds after shutting the car off. The other side that is just wrapped would instantly burn your fingerprint off if you did that.

I still have a big roll of it but I'm not terribly interested in selling any due to the hassle of shipping it and the small dream that i might still find a use for it. here is the company I dealt with , I think I paid around $130 for a roll that was approximately 4*8 ?? Much cheaper anyway than the $22 sq ft I saw on ebay.


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Preston,
You do need to take measures to prevent the oil from getting on the
Aerogel as Aspen recommends that anytime the material gets saturated
with oil it be replaced. I couldn't find that on their website but
remember hearing it at some point.
I don't have any real good solutions. Sometimes we will encapsulate the
insulation in a lightweight foil for protection. The foil we use is
about the thickness of Reynolds Aluminum foil you can buy in a store. We
then will put a more durable jacket over it. Your choice of the SS in my
opinion would be great.
The three times more insulation value is comparing Aerogel to fiberglass
or foam insulations. Most people think of insulation in R value. The R
on the Aerogel is around a R-8 to R-10, fiberglass carries a R-4 and
foams are probably in the R-5 to R-6 range. Thus the "three times"
statement.
Aerogel is the most effective solid insulation you can buy and most
everyone that has done side by side analysis say it is superior. Seldom
do we ever hear anyone saying they aren't seeing improved performance.
Hope that helps and let me know if any other questions.


Bud Poole
Lit Industries
1924 Chespark Drive
Gastonia, NC 28052
tel. (704)866-0895
fax (704)866-0896
cell (704)236-9002
www.litnc.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Preston & Meg [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:52 PM
To: Landis, Laura
Cc: Poole, Bud
Subject: Re: Aerogel Inquiry from Peterson Emissions Inc, Kirkland, WA

Thank you Laura that price sheet does indeed represent a significant
savings over the boutique outlets I had been utilizing.

I'll be using this for motorsport insulation - turbos, firewalls and
exhaust pipes. So far I am usually just augmenting existing insulation
products strategically, but plan to increase my useage. My main concern
is how susceptible it is to oil absorption (and therefore fire risk).
Also considering how to package it - considering a sandwich of riveted
thin (.02) SS sheeting. I'd be happy to talk to Bud or anyone else about
the best way to utilize it in this application, but I'll warn you that
I'm just a small time fabricator working out of my house with no plans
to buy large quantities, although I'll be happy to spread the word if it
works out.

I'm also having a hard time understanding the numbers it appears that it
has
3 times the thermal insulation value of inconel ? Am I interpreting that
right ?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Landis, Laura" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: "Poole, Bud" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: FW: Aerogel Inquiry from Peterson Emissions Inc, Kirkland, WA


Good afternoon Preston,

Aspen passed along your email inquiry (attached below); thank you for
your interest in our Aerogel products.

Pacor/LIT Industries is an authorized fabricator/distributor for all
Aspen Aerogel products for Industrial, OEM and Building/Construction
markets. In addition, LIT Industries offers a full range of fabricating
services, including, die-cutting, laminating, encapsulation and
industrial sewing; I suggest a visit to our web site, www.litnc.com, for
more details. LIT Industries stocks all the Aspen Aerogel products at
our facilities in Bordentown, NJ and Gastonia, NC.

I have attached Price Lists for our Standard Length Aerogel products,
which includes Pyrogel XT and most other Aerogel materials in three roll
sizes (25sf, 75sf and 225sf) for prototype testing or small jobs.

In addition, I have attached a Product Grid listing Aspen's current
product offering and general use parameters for your review. We'll need
to know more about your application to recommend specific Aerogel
products.

Notes:
1) Freight is FOB our plant in Gastonia, NC or Bordentown, NJ ;
no freight is included in the above price.
2) Lead-time is approximately 1 to 2 weeks after receipt of order
and credit approval.
3) VISA or MasterCard is acceptable for payment.


I hope the information I have provided helps. If you should have any
further questions please feel free to contact me. I am happy to help.

I have included Bud Poole's information. He has sales responsibility
for your area. By copy of this email I'll ask him to contact you to
review your application if need be.

Thank you for your contact and interest. I hope to hear from you soon!

Don't forget to visit our online store at www.litnc.com.




Enjoy your day,



Laura Landis

Inside Sales Coordinator
Pacor Incorporated & Lit Industries
2603 River Road
Suite 1
Cinnaminson, NJ 08077
Phone: 856-303-8802 X113
Fax: 856-303-8803