cheap subframe?

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by ironworks

Heidt's, TCI and Fatman are all based off a suspension design from 30 years ago. The spindle is short, in most of the aftermarket mustang II kits there is no anti dive built into the suspension. The short length of the control arm also limits travel which mean you need a stiffer spring. Plus the camber gain is really fast due to short control arms. Plus they are just made withs maller tubing and therefore not as strong. There are alot of other popular suspensions that have gone by the ways side due what is currently avalible. The C4 corvette stuff, why would you ever run that stuff when the price of a replacement ball joint is more then a brand new control arm with ball joints and bushings and the A arm. The avaliblity of the brakes for the C6 out numbers the C4 10-1.

Technology has come a long ways in the past 10 years and you can see it in the products that are currently avalible on the market. The Mustang II design is like the Small Block chevy it still has its place but there are much better coices to made for the money.

Heidts may have some new products coming out that will set the world on it's ear, but they will ahve to be proven the days of having and old car that has updated suspension that drives like crap are over with, with as far as the bar has been raised in the past 10 years.

FAST FACTS:

1. Heidts second gen front subframe is NOT thier first gen subframe.. new design.

2. Gary Heidt, who owned Heidts for 25 years doesn't any more.. new people own the company.

3. The Heidts 2nd gen Camaro had the second fastest autocross time (not counting mine) that day. The DSE car was faster by a tad.. Mary really like both cars and Mary knows what the hell "good" is. If she had to pic one to take home I think she would have chose the DSE car, but she would have been happy to have the Heidts car.

4. 90% of the people on the internet who argue about this crap will never push there car to even 70% or its potential. lol

5. Don't worry about cost.. worry about VALUE.

Ok, off my soapbox

[66LS7]

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2

FAST FACTS:

1. Heidts second gen front subframe is NOT thier first gen subframe.. new design.

2. Gary Heidt, who owned Heidts for 25 years doesn't any more.. new people own the company.

3. The Heidts 2nd gen Camaro had the second fastest autocross time (not counting mine) that day. The DSE car was faster by a tad.. Mary really like both cars and Mary knows what the hell "good" is. If she had to pic one to take home I think she would have chose the DSE car, but she would have been happy to have the Heidts car.

4. 90% of the people on the internet who argue about this crap will never push there car to even 70% or its potential. lol

5. Don't worry about cost.. worry about VALUE.

Ok, off my soapbox

I hope to be in the 10% that does. & I'm not argueing about who's better, I think everyone has a space to play in the big sand box.



Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.) 1-262-347-9741

[lil427z]

martz chassis.
rick k

[skatinjay27]

im not saying its crap im not even here to bash them... for me its just gonna take a lot more than someone "saying" thier all about function,and fancy marketing phrase's like "g-machine" to prove to me they really are engineering these with performance at the top of thier list. if they are good...but prove it.

as far as the heidts 2nd yea it did good... but were not talking about a 1st gen either, i mean how much better to you actually think thier car would perform over a stock sub /leaf car???

[Heidts#14]

Originally Posted by skatinjay27

im not saying its crap im not even here to bash them... for me its just gonna take a lot more than someone "saying" thier all about function,and fancy marketing phrase's like "g-machine" to prove to me they really are engineering these with performance at the top of thier list. if they are good...but prove it.

as far as the heidts 2nd yea it did good... but were not talking about a 1st gen either, i mean how much better to you actually think thier car would perform over a stock sub /leaf car???

I am really glad you asked.....

Stock subframe- 2 degrees caster, camber loss

Our subframe- 6-7 degree caster, Increased camber gain (thank you pro-g tall spindle), Increased anti-dive.

Please please please do not confuse this with mustang II geometry. It is FAR from MustangII geometry.

[Teetoe_Jones]

Originally Posted by Heidts#14

I am really glad you asked.....

Stock subframe- 2 degrees caster, camber loss

Our subframe- 6-7 degree caster, Increased camber gain (thank you pro-g tall spindle), Increased anti-dive.

Please please please do not confuse this with mustang II geometry. It is FAR from MustangII geometry.

Got any more detailed specs?

How much negative camber gain in degrees per inch of travel?

What is your total bumpsteer figure? (don't even think about saying zero)

What are your recommended alignment specs for street? How about a race setting?

What is the widest front tire you can run on the frame?

Tyler

[Heidts#14]

Originally Posted by Teetoe_Jones

Got any more detailed specs?

How much negative camber gain in degrees per inch of travel?

What is your total bumpsteer figure? (don't even think about saying zero)

What are your recommended alignment specs for street? How about a race setting?

What is the widest front tire you can run on the frame?

Tyler

Hey Tyler,

Camber gain is -.68 degrees per inch

Bumpsteer .030 inches @ 1"

street set up- minimum 3 degrees caster, -1/4 degree camber, 1/16 toe out, with a 1" swaybar

race set up- minimum 5 degrees caster, -1/2 degree camber, 1/16 to 1/8 toe out, with a 1 1/4" swaybar.

Also I checked out your site and looks like you have some really nice products yourself. Looking forward to share some info with you.