Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[hifi875]

The future scares me. So much has changed in the last 4 years, and not for the better.

[MarkM66]

My company BC/BS healthcare double from last year to this year. I guess the increase is to buy coverage for another family.

[hifi875]

The makers will have more taken while the takers will make more. Exactly what obummer wants so that the takers will be more dependent on government

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by hifi875

The future scares me. So much has changed in the last 4 years, and not for the better.

My question is what has changed that is something the president himself has done?

People forget that 4 years ago at this time, hundreds of thousands of people were losing their jobs, unemployment had gone up 40% in 2008, from 5 to 7.3%. Lots of people lost their jobs, their homes and/or their businesses.

I agree that all sucked, and things aren't all fixed now. We just about back to the same unemployment rate as when Obama took office, and the economy is adding jobs.

It's unrealistic to blame Obama for the economy being terrible, primarily because it was all sorts of messed up before he was even elected.

At the same time, it's not a reasonable assessment to give him much credit for things improving either. Not much has actually happened in washington dc the last four years, and things improving is more about the resilience of americans than it is anything that any one person or all of d.c. has done.

My point is this, let's not be all hyperbolic and dramatic over the election.

[Sieg]

Why do you feel so obligated to defend politicians?

[Radlark]

Saw this and I thought it was funny..I personally don't do the "discuss politics" thing because everyone is entitled to THIER opinion...again I just thought it was funny no matter which way I voted.....

[ironworks]

Originally Posted by realcoray

It's unrealistic to blame Obama for the economy being terrible, primarily because it was all sorts of messed up before he was even elected.

The man said in his campaign that he would fix it in his first term. He did not.

Do you remember all that chatter about cutting the debt, and unemployment being much lower then it is now? ETC

Just google the words "2008 campaign promises". The video list is pretty long.

Everything that happened was opposite of what he promised for a job he campaigned to get.

[hifi875]

Originally Posted by realcoray

My question is what has changed that is something the president himself has done?

People forget that 4 years ago at this time, hundreds of thousands of people were losing their jobs, unemployment had gone up 40% in 2008, from 5 to 7.3%. Lots of people lost their jobs, their homes and/or their businesses.

I agree that all sucked, and things aren't all fixed now. We just about back to the same unemployment rate as when Obama took office, and the economy is adding jobs.

It's unrealistic to blame Obama for the economy being terrible, primarily because it was all sorts of messed up before he was even elected.

At the same time, it's not a reasonable assessment to give him much credit for things improving either. Not much has actually happened in washington dc the last four years, and things improving is more about the resilience of americans than it is anything that any one person or all of d.c. has done.

My point is this, let's not be all hyperbolic and dramatic over the election.

he hasn't done a single thing to improve the so called nightmare that he "inherited". and the outlook since then hasn't changed. he is a divider. nothing changed, he took class warfare to the next level. he is not a friend of business. his foreign policy is ridiculous. so what he killed bin laden. bin laden was powerless. he has done nothing to give any glimmer of hope on any front, that any of our problem will be solved.

[WSSix]

Originally Posted by realcoray

My question is what has changed that is something the president himself has done?

People forget that 4 years ago at this time, hundreds of thousands of people were losing their jobs, unemployment had gone up 40% in 2008, from 5 to 7.3%. Lots of people lost their jobs, their homes and/or their businesses.

I agree that all sucked, and things aren't all fixed now. We just about back to the same unemployment rate as when Obama took office, and the economy is adding jobs.

It's unrealistic to blame Obama for the economy being terrible, primarily because it was all sorts of messed up before he was even elected.

At the same time, it's not a reasonable assessment to give him much credit for things improving either. Not much has actually happened in washington dc the last four years, and things improving is more about the resilience of americans than it is anything that any one person or all of d.c. has done.

My point is this, let's not be all hyperbolic and dramatic over the election.

In general, what I am bothered by the most with Obama and the people who support them are their attitudes. I'm honestly not worried about what he can really do as President, though all of his executive orders are very disturbing from a power grab perspective, because he is constrained. It's just like the people who voted against Romney because he is pro-life. They some how seem to think he had the power to overturn Roe v Wade which is nonsense. Yet, people voted against him for that very reason. So realizing Romney doesn't have that power but turning around and thinking Obama has more power to magically snap his fingers to make things happen doesn't add up.

What does add up though, is the attitude Obama preachers and shows regularly. His actions or lack there of in many cases show what type of person he truly is regardless of what he says. It's the reason so many people where duped in 08 like Greg mentioned. He talked a good talk. Filled people with a lot of good ideas that even I agreed with. Nothing he had done up to that point in his political career agreed with the words and ideas he was pushing forth and nothing he did after being elected agreed either. For someone who claims to not be engaging in class warfare, he sure does use a lot of us and them in reference to American citizens in his speeches. He also has no problems laying blame or targeting legislation towards a select group of people whom have done nothing illegal or immoral. Yet, they are some how to blame or should be punished by having their legally earned wealth confiscated in the name of fairness or recovery? He is more like G W Bush than different but no one is crying war criminal or impeachment when he did the exact same things as Bush and then some.

The fact that so many American citizens support his actions and agree with those actions is what bothers me. They treat it like a football game cheering on their team as if there are no real implications as to what is going on in DC.

He is no leader and certainly not interested in bringing people together.

[Revved]

Unfortunately we are in for another 4 years of slow slide into oblivion and God only knows how long to dig out of the rediculous debt accumulating. Is Obama a bad guy? probably not. Did he have a clue what he was getting into 4 years ago? Definately Not. Is he arrogant and confrontational? Anybody who watched the debates can answer that. Does he have the skills to guide this country out of the muck our economy is in? 4 years +4 trillion in debt tells me no. His comments about cheap gas showed a weak economy when he took office and now that we have expensive gas things are getting better... ?!?!?!? 'nuff said?

Put the religion thing aside. Put the race cards aside. Romney has proven skills and the background to run our economy and the country. If the guy was given the office there was a much higher probability that the economy would have gotten back on track and then everyone on the forums could have bitched about his social policies.... or maybe not.. they would have been busy getting back to work. Well at least the obamaphone lady would have been bitching aout it. I'm still lost at when our country started demonizing people that are successful.. I'm pretty sure that was somewhere in the American Dream. But I didn't get the AACORN Occupy Everything memo either...

Real world though... How many of you have gotten the phone call from your high end clients that projects are being "delayed" or are dropping prices on high end cars to move them before the end of the year? What these Obama-ites don't realize is that many industries like ours and the economy as a whole depend on this 2% (that owns businesses, runs businesses, invest in businesses, spend money on luxury items) feeling comfortable enough to spend money. They don't spend money, we don't make money, we don't have money to spend, we don't have money to hire people or buy equipment, and then economy slows. I had plans to hire for projects slated to start in January but in the last two days I've had 2 out of 3 projects put off "indefinately" waiting to see the results of this "financial cliff." I have another client that turned down an offer on his car two weeks ago then called me back yesterday to do the deal just because he is cleaning house after the election worried about what is coming next year. Scared money doesn't make money... if businesses are afraid to spend money they arent going to... and Obama's fiscal policies scare people with money to spend. I'm going on year #5 now going solo and I've never been this uncertain of the future.