Mark Stielow's 69 Camaro, Red Devil - Page 6 - Lateral-g Forums

itsals1 · #51 07-31-2009, 03:02 PM

Maybe Scott can convince you to road trip over to Wisconsin and have Kurt and Paul at AutoKraft do the paint and body. the last 69' was over-the-top!! Just a thought.

Travis

**waynieZ** · #52 08-01-2009, 04:05 AM

Awesome build.

qship510 · #53 08-01-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow

Working on the following

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Aluminum front bumper...

Mark

Yea, sure, just toss that in and see if anyone notices...

Hammerformed? Concrete buck? Just the front?

Jerry

**Stielow** · #54 08-01-2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by qship510

Yea, sure, just toss that in and see if anyone notices...

Hammerformed? Concrete buck? Just the front?

Jerry

I was wondering is anyone would notice that....

So far it looks like I can save 20 lbs right of the nose of the car with an aluminum bumper and braces. I bought the bumper off E-bay. It fits OK but the shape it dead on. I think some Chinese compainy just change the material from steel to aluminum. It is the same gauge as a repo steel one. I'm making a fake endura bumper out of it. Hope it works out.

Mark

**GregWeld** · #55 08-01-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow

I was wondering is any one would notice that....

So far it looks like I can save 20 lbs right of the nose of the car with an aluminum bumper and braces. I bought the bumper off E-bay. It fits OK but the shape it dead on. I think some Chinese compainy just change the material from steel to aluminum. It is the same gauge as a repo steel one. I'm making a fake endura bumper out of it. Hope it works out.

Mark

Mark --

That is NOT a FAKE endura bumper --- HELL NO!! That, my friend, is a TRIBUTE BUMPER!!!

**XcYZ** · #56 08-01-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

Mark --

That is NOT a FAKE endura bumper --- HELL NO!! That, my friend, is a TRIBUTE BUMPER!!!

Good one.

**Stielow** · #57 08-01-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WaterCooledNelds

Mark,

What sold you on putting ABS in it?

I love ABS brakes!!! All of our GM track stuff has ABS brakes. This is a big science project. You can buy an off the shelf Bosch Motorsports system for about $10,000. I don't have $10K so I'm working on putting togther a system out of other OE stuff. The wheel speed sensors on the front are easy with the DSE clip. It has C-5 hubs with built in wheel speed sensors. I had Currier build me a Ford 9 inch with Mustang wheel speed sensors built into the rear axles. So after digging around I found out the Ford rear wheel speed sendor are a Bosch. So I hope the sensor output will work with my module. We have bench tested them and I think so. I had special tone wheel made to match the pulses per rev of a C-5 Vett to match the front wheel speed sensors. We are also working on making the ABS unit work as a stand alone. No stability or low mu performance (ice).

I was going to install ABS on JA but with the carbon brakes it is even harder to sort out. The carbon brakes double there output from ambiant to 400 degrees C. I'm OK with trying this on my car because I have had a lot of experience tuning ABS systems and having them fail at speed. Things happen very fast when you have lost your brake system on the track. I have had a number of "off track" experiences developing ABS and stabilty systems. If I can get this system to work it will be fun and I've learned a lot in the process. The system will need to be balanced in a "failed" mode when I first start sorting it out.

Mark

**GregWeld** · #58 08-01-2009, 08:36 AM

Mark -

Isn't there some "statement" about if you haven't gone off track - then you haven't been going fast enough??

LOL

Big difference there between going too fast - vs a total brake failure... The pucker factor has to be 10X's ?? It's one thing entering too fast and at least being able to TRY to slow a bit... And entering and have NO BRAKES... It's never happened to me (limited track time to Bondurant and Spring Mountain) - but I can only imagine that it's a real unpleasant experience!

So the carbon rotors take some heat to work "better"? Or is it that they work fine and then just get better with heat? Some pads (against normal rotors) take some heat to work - as I understand it - and can be a nightmare on the street...

**camcojb** · #59 08-01-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

So the carbon rotors take some heat to work "better"? Or is it that they work fine and then just get better with heat? Some pads (against normal rotors) take some heat to work - as I understand it - and can be a nightmare on the street...

I think the carbon rotors work fine right off the bat, but get even better as they get hotter, which requires a bit different braking during a track session. At least that was the excuse Charley used when he spun the car off the track during braking...................

Jody

**GregWeld** · #60 08-01-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by camcojb

I think the carbon rotors work fine right off the bat, but get even better as they get hotter, which requires a bit different braking during a track session. At least that was the excuse Charley used when he spun the car off the track during braking...................

Jody

So, Jody.... If Charley went off track in Jackass.. can we now say that Charley Jackedo** ? I'm shocked - really shocked!