GM Hybrid 1/2 ton trucks

[XcYZ]

I thought this was interesting, especially the last part - a built in 14kw generator. That would be VERY handy at the race track.

www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103584

The trucks' big selling point is not the hybrid powertrain, but their capability as mobile power generators. The Sierra and Silverado can be locked in an idle mode and run for as long as 32 hours on a single tank of fuel while generating enough electricity to power a house. GM also is targeting contractors who need electricity on remote sites.

[Steve1968LS2]

I just read a great article on the falicy that hybrids aren't that great..

http://www.omninerd.com/articles/articles.php?aid=41

We could talk about how it would take you years to break even on the premium you pay for a hybrid with the savings in gas.. we could talk about how the cars will be worthless once the batterys go bad given the current cost to replace them. (who will want to buy a hybrid with 100k+ miles on it??)

We could discuss the problems of a world full of hybrids and what landfill will be filled with the dead batteries..

Or we could discuss how they really don't pollute less than say a regular Honda Civic. the constant start stop cycle of the hypids IC engine hurts it in this regard.

Hydrogen is where it's at baby! -- of course there is the problem of a city full of hydrogen cars putting out water vapor and thus causing humidity changes..

but that's another topic..

[Steve1968LS2]

My favorite comparrison of the story..

"Let's investigate by continuing our example of looking to replace a paid-off 1999 Honda Accord with something more economical. We've already looked at the possibility of buying a 2006 Toyota Prius and found that it could save $70.7 per month in gas but would add $387 a month for the car payment. Now, let's throw in the value-driven 2006 Corolla with a combined mileage of 36 mpg22 and a sticker price of $14,005.23 Applying the same equations with the same assumptions yields gas savings of $34.7 per month and a loan amount of $12,000, with a corresponding monthly payment of $228. Comparing the monthly expenses of each choice, the Prius would result in a net expense of $316 and the Corolla a net expense of $193. Thus, although neither option is economically advisable based purely on gas savings, the 2006 Prius would be $123 more expensive per month than a 2006 Corolla.

[Ummgawa]

Or how vegetarians say that meat eating milk drinkers(like me) are killing the environment by causing the cattle industry to produce animals (Cows) faster. These Cows eat a special diet that includes steroids and other growth hormones that produce excess flatulance (Farts) and the subsequent amount of METHANE GAS (the Farts) is apparently killing the Ozone layer.


If God had intended us to be Vegetarians, he would not have made cows out of Steak. Moral here? Eat Steak and help protect the Ozone Layer.

[MarkM66]

Originally Posted by Steve1969LS1

I just read a great article on the falicy that hybrids aren't that great..

http://www.omninerd.com/articles/articles.php?aid=41

We could talk about how it would take you years to break even on the premium you pay for a hybrid with the savings in gas.. we could talk about how the cars will be worthless once the batterys go bad given the current cost to replace them. (who will want to buy a hybrid with 100k+ miles on it??)

We could discuss the problems of a world full of hybrids and what landfill will be filled with the dead batteries..

Or we could discuss how they really don't pollute less than say a regular Honda Civic. the constant start stop cycle of the hypids IC engine hurts it in this regard.

Hydrogen is where it's at baby! -- of course there is the problem of a city full of hydrogen cars putting out water vapor and thus causing humidity changes..

but that's another topic..

One thing I do know about, is batteries cannot go in a landfill. All batteries can be recycled, .

I've always heard it takes more energy to create hydrogen, then what we then get out of it.

[BC69]

I've always heard it takes more energy to create hydrogen, then what we then get out of it.

Yes, that is the problem...when the car uses hydrogen it is not producing any pollution...but the process itself in creating the hydrogen is considered almost as bad as gas cars. None of the current systems are really long term, hybrid or hydrogen, but I guess right now they are all we have. I think the next big thing will be finding a cleaner way to create hydrogen from I believe its some form of natural gas that they get it from right? Either way, they need to refine that process, and then maybe hydrogen cars could be a real solution.

Tim

[67Sally]

Originally Posted by BC69

...but the process itself in creating the hydrogen is considered almost as bad as gas cars. Tim

Ya, I find it amusing that they leave out the fact that they are convertig hydrocarbons (oil) into hydrogen for fuel. and it is not a one for one conversion.
W.

[XcYZ]

The hybrid part is ok, I just like the idea of a 14kw generator built right into the truck. Cool idea, IMO.

[Steve1968LS2]

Originally Posted by XcYZ

The hybrid part is ok, I just like the idea of a 14kw generator built right into the truck. Cool idea, IMO.

Yea.. the generator is uber cool.. how many blenders could you run off that???

[Mean 69]

If God had intended us to be Vegetarians, he would not have made cows out of Steak. Moral here? Eat Steak and help protect the Ozone Layer.

That was perfect, thanks!

Steve, just dropped you a pm here, please take a look.
Mark